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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by CK 13, Mar 10, 2025.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    The player was sacked 29 times. As with all quarterback sack totals, that is a mixture of the quarterback and the struggles of the offensive line.
     
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  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't. I saw them fail miserably with Pickett. The hope is a good enough quarterback will overcome those issues.
     
  3. Thor

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    Brock Purdy is the only QB from 2022 that's still with the team that drafted him.

    The Titans have spent a 3rd, 2nd, and 1st, respectively, at QB in each of the past three drafts.

    The transition to 11-personnel, RPO-styled offensive schemes over the past 25 years made it such that teams can't afford to linger with a QB for as long as they did in the days of old, when the running game was the focus.
     
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  4. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    I'm will argue that sack rates are highly QB dependent, less OL dependent. QBs that get sacked a lot will generally continue to be sacked regardless of OL. Wilson is just one example of that.
     
  5. Steelrules

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    Bradshaw struggled his first few years. In today’s league, he would’ve been cut or traded
     
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  6. Formerscribe

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    It is both. There are certainly sacks that are the quarterback's fault, but the line has to do its job to reduce sacks, too.
     
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  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but it was a very different game. Bradshaw was drafted 55 years ago.
     
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  8. TGH

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    I forgot to ask how many games he played in that season.
     
  9. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    He played in 13 games.
     
  10. TGH

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    Yes, he is draftable for the starting job in the NFL out of college. He took too many sacks which means he indecisive, but his interception rate is elite, and he can score at a good pace. This QB could need a year to clean up the indecisiveness/sacks. He maybe too protective of the ball. And then his scoring may suffer because his tendency is to protect the ball.
    Also we want to look at his rushing ability and physicallity to determine whether he is 100% first round starter contract or second round starter with shorter leash or a year of development before starting. But, yes he should get a channce in the NFL to compete for SB out of college based on that information. First year is a throwaway year anyway, so the coaches' decision whether to speed up his decisions in training and classroom or start him right away during the first year.
     
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  11. Steelersfan43

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    Stats in college don't always mean everything... In college it depends on the talent around you and the level of competitionis is also important in the evaluation
     
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  12. Bubbahotep

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    Of course, it's a team sport. But the QB is the primary cause:

    Quarterbacks control their own sack rate, and they are likely responsible for the quality of sacks they take too. We know this because QBs who change teams tend to have their sack quality follow them. If the offensive line or poor coaching was responsible for sack quality, it wouldn't follow the QBs to new teams.

    Are NFL Quarterbacks Responsible For Sack Quality? Breaking Down QBs' Role in Sacks
     
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  13. Steelersfan43

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    It can also depend of the style of the offense....Also not always good to throw short quick throw everytime especially in 3rd down.Normally, when it's below 3 seconds, the o-line is more to blame but when it's higher than that, it's more on the QB but it always depends on the context for each situation
     
  14. Formerscribe

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    One study, which I can't seem to open at the moment, does not prove that. I'm not buying it the notion that it is primarily the quarterbacks, not when the line play is as big of an issue as it has been for the Steelers in recent seasons.
     
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  15. steel machine

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    I don't live in the Burgh but I'm hearing stories from up there that fans won't follow the Steelers if Aaron Rodgers becomes a Steeler. Not sure if that is a topic in Pittsburgh. I hate the guy but I sure the hell would not stop being a Steeler fan. Should it happen and we look decent I'm guessing all those who stopped following would jump right back on.
     
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  16. Bubbahotep

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    One study, over multiple seasons, multiple teams, multiple QBs.

    But I will defend your right to be wrong.
     
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  17. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Russell Wilson win the super bowl vs Denver in 2013...
     
  18. Formerscribe

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    One study can be flawed. It can be biased. Did they use a large enough sample size for it to be valid? Did they use a representative sampling? Did they compile enough data? Did they allow biases to affect their analysis of the data? This is far more subjective than you want to make it out to be, which is why there being only on study by one person makes it dubious at best.

    But I will defend your right to overplay your hand and present your opinion as if it were a fact.
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    Or maybe his offensive line was bad. Or maybe he played for coaches that told him it was better to take a sack than make a dangerous throw. There are factors beyond a quarterback's control that lead to sacks.

    Regardless, by your logic, the quarterback with those numbers would be deserving of a four-year window as a starting quarterback, correct?
     
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  20. Born2Steel

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    Click bait article headline said, "Rodgers should wait for the schedule to come out before signing with the Steelers".


    What is the significance here? What logic am I missing?
     
  21. winggin

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    Because if the season was reversed from last year and we start 0-5 he could possibly get benched for Mason or Howard.


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  22. S.T.D

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    The Qb play in recent times has had almost as much a problem on the OL as the OL has on the Qb.
     
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  23. steel machine

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    My morning routine: Check to see how many runs Pirates lost by, check message board to see if a thread entitled, Welcome to the Steelers Aaron Rodgers is up yet.
     
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  24. forgotten1

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  25. Bubbahotep

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    I posted the link. Read up.

    I can listen to a counter argument.

    Where is your data to support your opinion?
     

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