IF STEELERS GO FOR FIELDS

You can dismiss the Canada effect all you like, but the fact remains that Pickett had arguably his best game as a pro in the first game after Canada was fired. I keep bringing up the Bengals games because it is as close as we get to an apples-to-apples comparison of Pickett and Rudolph this past season. It's not exactly even because the Bengals' defense was weaker when Rudolph faced them due to injury. Pickett was every bit as good when you compare those two contests. He didn't have the benefit of the Bengals being stupid enough to play man on Pickens all game as Rudolph did, but he still should have been over 300 yards with a touchdown if not for the officiating/lack of challenge early on.

Funny how you acknowledge the blown call against the Bengals, but you turn right around and ignore it when summing up Pickett's performance in that game. I don't accept your premise that it was a worse performance than Rudolph's against the Bengals. Rudolph had the benefit of Pickens turning an intermediate reception into a long touchdown. He also missed three or four open receivers on deep balls, something Picket didn't do in the first meeting. As I pointed out, the Bengals were further weakened by that game, something you either chose to leave out or did not realize.

Also, you mention Pickett fumbling in the Cardinals game as well, but you didn't mention him fumbling in any other game. You also forgot that the fumble was actually Cole's fault, one of two bad snaps on third downs that scuttled drives.

Pickett has played two seasons with a terrible offensive coordinator and a leaky offensive line. Those things led him to regress rather than make progress. There is at least some potential for improvement there. Rudolph is six years in. He is what he is, a competent quarterback who probably should be a No. 2. Of course, Pickett has to play better. It is also worth noting that it took him a while to produce at Pitt, too.

 

I don’t think a bad OC explains KP happy feet and fleeing the pocket when he didn’t have to. The reason why Rudolph had success is he stayed in the pocket and waited for the routes to progress. This is where KP will need to improve.

 

It is, but coaching was a part of that. I don't just mean the poor concepts. I mean not being good enough at their jobs to help Pickett make those improvements. I also mean pounding into his head that he has to avoid interceptions at all costs. I think they got him to be too risk-averse, which is what led to some of the bailing out early rather than taking the shot down the field.

 

Well, that's good. It shouldn't.

But it doesn't do much to explain your defensiveness and lashing out when people disagree with you on certain subjects, including bits like:

Also, while in a waiting room this evening I went back to the Matt Canada New OC thread to see who the many were that laughed at you. Not only did I not find them (there were actually quite a few that expressed less than jubilant feelings over his promotion) but this was the strongest criticism you had of his hiring in the thread:

 

No one typed about a breakout season for Moore, just the yardage production and the dude only had 9 ints on the season. The guy had a pretty decent season, given what he had to work with in ChiTown. And you brought up Den and Wash, who played 17 games against other QBs and some did not put up the numbers that Fields did against them. I only mentioned them because you entered them into the discussion. He may be erratic in your view but I can cherry pick many QBs and make fake points too, but I don't have time for that chit.

Peace

 

I didn't ignore anything regarding the Bengals game. Acknowledged that could've/should've been a TD, but Rudolph scored more points and threw more TD's even if we were to give Kenny a TD on that play (which we shouldn't because the only reason that wasn't a gimme TD was because the ball was a bit late and a much tougher catch than it should have been). That is fine that you don't accept the premise. You obviously are using different criteria to measure the game than me. That is fine. And I don't care if its a catch and run or not. Pickett had a long Pickens catch and run in the first Browns game for a TD that I didn't mention bc it hardly matters. Sometimes delivering the ball on time and into a position where the WR can make a play is good enough. That is a great play either way.

Agreed on the terrible OC, but I cant accept the "leaky offensive line" when Pickett faced a league average time to throw. He wasn't hurried at a super high rate compared to the rest of the NFL, and quite frankly some of the "hurries" he received were self-inflicted. I can understand wanting to hold out hope as long as possible because Kenny was a first round pick. We used premium capital to get him. I just don't want us to make the mistake of holding on too long like we did with Canada. There really hasn't been much that justifies having a lot of hope that he overcomes his struggles and becomes an NFL caliber QB.

 

1. They used the same playbook. Yes, they used certain parts more than Canada did, but that is a single game sample size.
2. The motions were always just window dressing. Same formation, same plays
3. Concepts were the same because the playbook was the same. They could have used the playbook more effectively, but they were the same plays...
4. eh, one game. Small sample size. Hard to tell if it was a fluke or just the game plan to force it more middle of the field.
5. This was actually implemented by Canada. Started in the Tennessee game to good success, then in GB to great success.
6. Of course EVERYTHING wasn't the same. It was pretty darn close. Except for the results. Those were pretty wide

 

How was I being misleading in mentioning that Moore had his best season with Fields? That is simply a fact, and I also acknowledged that Fields wasn't likely to replicate that same success with any one of our receivers because Moore is a superior talent to our receivers. That is not being at all misleading, but you were basically trying to discredit me by making the same point that I had already acknowledged.

And thanks for making my other point, too. Kenny has also played against his share of bad defenses, and if he had ever come close to totaling 300 yards and four touchdowns in any game, maybe I'd have more hope for him. But he hasn't even come close to doing what Fields has done multiple times. As zcoop pointed out, you are the one cherry-picking stats, so maybe you should reconsider who is being misleading.

I mentioned that I would be interested in Fields at the right price and in the right situation depending on how Smith can use him. He brings upside and the potential to have a more explosive offense, but there are weaknesses and limitations to his game that would have to make the cost worth the risk. However, I do believe he would instantly become the best and most dangerous quarterback on this team if the Steelers acquired him, so I think it would be nice if the front office does their homework on this and not simply dismiss it out of hand.

 

I think people are looking at the wrong Bear player, I think
they like the CB more than the QB.

 

And yet he scored zero touchdowns

Isn't that really the goal

 

But after a scarcity of TDs after two full seasons with Pickett at the helm, it’s become a trend and it all can’t be blamed on Canada. His TD ratio for a QB with 500 or more passes is historically low, the lowest EVER. That’s not all on Canada. We can make excuses for Kenny all we want, but his play has been sub-par for the most part. Good quarterbacks get results in spite of the OC at times and Kenny’s results have been below the line. He’ll get his chance with Smith as he should but I’m not excited at all going into next season with him as the starter.

I was on board with Kenny when we drafted him and continued to defend him for a season and a half. But it finally got to the point that I realized his deficiencies could no longer be ignored or blamed on Canada. At this point, he’s just not the guy. He’s not durable, he’s not smart, he doesn’t have any physical traits that are overly impressive. The Steelers are currently where they were in the 80s, in quarterback limbo.

 

Oh bull****

A quarterback who doesn’t score touchdowns is not a good quarterback at the very least it wasn’t a good day

And who is my favorite player you seemed to suggest

 

Maybe the stars did align, but he also showed patience in the pocket, made the correct pre-snap reads and went through his progressions which did wonders for the offense’s performance. Those were all things Kenny was struggling with. The difference between the two quarterbacks was undeniable.

 

I don't like how you are conducting yourself.

 

Beautiful Score !

 

Your timing is impeccable.

 

Didn't read any of it.

 

Amazing those same things didn't happen with Mason as much. LoL

 

This 100. I hope, and pray KFP works out, but this whole who they played, and other crap is excuses. Are people blind to the fact theat KFP bailed many times before those people could come open??? Can people with eyes actually say they couldn't see the difference in one Qb staying in the pocket, and the other two bailing out???