Would Pickett been available in the 2nd round?

I've always wondered if they could've picked Linderbaum in the 1st, and still had Pickett available in the 2nd? There were plenty of teams desperate for a QB, but they all passed on him. I have a feeling those same teams would've passed on him in the 2nd round too, but I could be wrong?

 

Maybe, but if they devalued him to a 2nd round, would they take him?

 

I don't think that would've mattered to them

 

Who knows? I'm just glad Colbert is gone. People liked him but his last several drafts sucked something awful.

 

I don’t know if teams like the Titans, Falcons and Buccaneers would have taken the bait and drafted him early in the second. However, there are plenty of days I’m happy that he’s playing instead of Mitch. Also, who would’ve thought that Cole would regress so much

edit: meant to say early in the second

 

A lot of teams with QB needs early in round 2 so I doubt it.

 

Yeah, no.

But I wonder if he wishes someone else drafted him... playing in most any system would be better than Canada's garbage.
Well, Carolina is pretty bad too.

 

Supposedly the saints were going to draft big k.

 

I was listening to Ben talking to Cowher on his podcast about his early days and I was struck by something regarding Pickett.

They were basically talking about how Ben used to improvise and extend plays etc. which would drive Cowher mad because he wasn't doing what he was meant to do, but it was working so Cowher was always having to juggle letting him be successful with not developing bad habits and using the playbook more.

With Pickett it seems to me that the coaches have got in his head too much, and this is making him think about his play rather than playing instinctively. Perhaps this is because his reads aren't great. I don't know enough about how he played in college to know tbh. Perhaps what he's showing in practice requires it. However, at the end of last season Pickett seemed to be playing with relatively few restraints, whereas we all know how he's looked this season.

Obviously Pickett is not Ben. But I just wonder if there's some over-management going on, which could well have happened with Ben but didn't because he was so successful when he started.

 

A review that I was on board with

Looking at this career in Pitt, he is a late bloomer.
He came into his last season projected as a 3rd round pick...
But he literally carried Pitt on his shoulders to project as a legit 1st round pick.

Most of us hoped he would be drafted behind a QB at the end of his career and sit the year and learn.
I think that was the plan here till Mitch just flunked miserably.
That said, he's going to get better with each start.

But he had a terrible OC and his #1 and #2 WR's are head cases.
We've seen his toughness and his ability to throw and take that big hit.
We've seen him knock off the int's.
And we've seen him deliver clutch drives.

I couldn't give a crap what arm chair GM's think, Kenny's going to be a decent QB.
He won't be Tom Brady, but he'll be ok.
I would have liked to seen him in Shanahan's system.

 

He is playing way to tight, but as some have suggested
This maybe the master plan, play conservative don't turn ball
over and let defense win it close?

 

Probably not available in second round in that draft. Kenny and Ridder were top QBs.

 

Not even worth speculating about TBH. There always seems to be a "this guy would have been available at Pick X, why was he picked at Pick Y?" comment about a handful of players. The truth is we will never know since essentially the entire league picks between our pick 1 and pick 2 (barring extra picks or trades). All it takes is one random team to have a high grade on a player and he's gone. Its really an impossible thing to truly know.

 

It’s not just the last several. Bar 2017 when they got TJ it is hard to point to a good draft since 2015 until this year.

Colbert was on a roll before that picking guys like DeCastro, Cam, Lev Bell, Pouncey, Tuitt, AB, Shazier and others within a couple of years.

 

It's crazy because from what I see the 20-21-22 drafts really set this team back and forced Khan & even Colbert to rely on tier 2 & 3 FA's to fill out the holes in the roster. It's really a miracle that this team finished 9-8 and is treading at .500 this season. Kinda a testament of Tomlin's coaching because this roster is really void of long-term options at plenty of positions. It's a solid 2-3 year rebuild. Frankly, if this supposed trade to #4 happens, the guy I hope we draft in such scenario is Marvin Harrison Jr. Granted, I'm skeptical of a Tomlin trade to the Commanders.

 

You can add 2019 to that when they traded up for Devin Bush, and that’s coming off a really poor draft in 2018 as well. Their drafting generally has been very poor in recent times.

The biggest issue around team building for me is that they tried to rebuild the Oline with mid round picks like Chuks, Green, Moore and Dotson. There is a reason all those guys were mid round picks. When that didn’t work they had to go to free agency to try to fix the line and they are still not there. We have had four years of awful offensive line play now at this stage and the offence just hasn’t been able to get going as a result.

 

probably - in Rd 2......

lots of good QBs this year 2024 draft.

Do we move up and get a fresh one in Round 1?

Why not, right? KP is not the answer, and EVEN IF HE IS, another good QB is needed.

 

I tank and get Ewers next year and just hope that maybe Pickett pans out and we don't waste one this year. Just too many holes in this roster to draft a QB... Precisely why I'd draft WR in the first and if Kenny doesn't pan out, there's 3 legitimate options for a QB in 25 to work with.

 

but QB IS the HOLE that ALL teams must fill.

a GOOD QB fixes LOTS of ills....

and NEW COACHING too will fix much!

agreed - and OK with a QB in Rd. 2

not sure of the fall off from QB's 3 and 6, for example........

 

I agree that QB is a hole that all teams must fill, but a QB also has to be put in a position to succeed. When nearly 60-70% of QBs drafted in the first are busts, we need to be picky on which QB we draft. So yeah I'd be far more comfortable tanking for Ewers than reaching for Bo Nix. We reached for Pickett and already wasted two years of TJ Watt and Fitzpatrick; let's not reach for Pickett 2.0

 

After seeing KP for around 25 starts I think that he is a high level back up QB. If you have a contending team and your star QB is out for 7 weeks, the season isn't lost if KP is the backup. He can step in and go 4-3 and keep the team afloat. Now was that worth a first round pick? Probably not. I just don't think that he is someone that can take you to a championship but he can help a team tread water if he has to step in and play as a backup.

 

I'm not really sure how we go about tanking though. Do we end up trading all our talent in order to do so? The roster as it is constructed is pretty much tank-proof.... We have had the worst QB play in the entire league and still won over half our games because the roster is just too talented to be that bad. Top to bottom we have just as much talent on our roster as Baltimore, Cincy, KC, etc. The only place they separate from us is that their elite talent is at the QB position, which happens to be the most important position in the league. You put Mahomes, Lamar, or Burrow on this team and we are likely the best team in the AFC.

What I find troubling is how so many people blind themselves to the talent on the team to cope with us floundering. We're floundering because our coaching/coordinators and QB's suck. Simple as that. The last two years we are 16-14 with the absolute worst QB play in the league. It's a testament to how solid the team is as a whole. I don't understand how we can come to a different conclusion... I guess we are just too spoiled. We are a top 1/3 team talent wise and we gripe that we are talentless and we should tank/blow the team up. Imagine if we actually had a bad roster. This board would be insufferable.

 

coaches, #1 - they stink - WELL BELOW PAR.

agreed on talent, top 1/3.

said it multiple times - give this team to Shanahan and his coaches and we'd be ~9-4 or so.......