Steelers lack coaching and development...

As been said many times on here.... until the coaching gets better, the quarterback production is unlikely to improve. Criticizing Pickett won’t solve the team’s problems. Imagine if Jordan Love had been drafted by the Steelers instead of Green Bay. How would he have looked in his second year? this is Love’s fourth year. We know how the Packers coaching staff redid Aaron Rodgers’ entire throwing motion, which helped him become a first-ballot Hall of Famer. How would Flacco have looked with us yesterday? lol

 

The steelers had a chance to draft Jalen Hurts in 2020....Great QB but I don't think he would been good with us and he is not alone

 

this is what i mean by coaching. 2nd start..... browning 32/37 354 yds 1 td. you think he's putting those numbers up with our coaching? our scheme and coaching are both trash. mitch was way better with the bears staff. here, he's not even standard nfl qb level with us.

 

The Bengals played like they had nothing to lose. Reminds me of the Rudolph/Hodges days. With Kenny, we play extremely cautious and the results show it. I don’t care who plays, just play like there’s no tomorrow

 

He certainly didn’t put those numbers up AGAINST our coaching. Could you imagine if he did?

Notice how you didn’t immediately jump to throwing Jax’s coaching under the bus? No accusations of the Jags being unprepared or Pederson being outcoached. I suspect that’s exactly what you would’ve done had Browning had that performance against the Steelers though.

This is what I mean about fans having agendas. Everything gets spun to push various narratives.

 

You might be right to a degree but it doesn’t change the fact that MT has won 3 playoff games in the last 13 years….

 

Nah it doesn’t.

The team underachieved in the Ben era because Ben wasn’t good enough to get it done. Scapegoating Tomlin is going to persist, but it doesn’t change the fact that the so-called “franchise qb” who the franchise decided to build the team around, was mediocre to maybe even below average in the playoffs. The team only won with Ben when they were anchored/led by a a dominating defense. When it was on Ben and the offense, they underachieved.

 

Hmmm Marino must have really sucked

 

Your debating skills sure do

 

I am slightly mixed on your response.
But I do agree. I do admire being objective too.

Ben did some great things and could carry the team down the field even as his skills were dropping.
I'd also include Matt Canada's lame offense.

I agree on Tomlin.
The torches get lit, and the mob wants to see a head roll.
As I posted in another thread, it takes the Franchise to be hitting on all elements: Front Office, Coaching and Players. (Could drill down more granular if desired)
The Steelers are not hitting on all points.
The failure to develop our QB is a glaring example. 2 head case WR's, a better but still problematic OL, and of course they kept Matt Canada 2 years too long. (I'd argue the fact of even naming him as OC proves they didn't do ANY research and took the lazy way)
And to borrow from a movie, "what we have here, is a failure to communicate."

 

no QB would be good with us, so funny that so many minions here just don't get it. a team falters for lack of coaching, lack of vision (our coaches are bottom tier, have been for years)

sort of like a nation.....

 

The 2008 season Ben says Hold My Beer. Without Ben your hero Tomlin doesn't have his winning season streak or Super Bowl win. Tomlin and Colbert ruined the defense for years after LeBeau left. Ben was the only bright spot keeping the train moving.

 

Good take.

How is it Danny Smith's or Tomlin's fault that Killebrew hits the punt returner after he clearly signaled for a fair catch? Or, that a player lined up offsides? I don't care what said players pedigree is. I'll assume he's been playing the game long enough to know better.

Some of the blowback is fan frustration. I get it. I've been there, too. However with all the injuries and relative lack of production from our QB it's really difficult for me to throw Tomlin to the wolves when they still have a legit shot at a wild card spot.

 

that's not my point. what i'm saying is even if kenny is not the guy, he still should have a couple good games. we've seen multiple teams have guys literally coming off the street or 3rd stringers putting up numbers and a win. but somehow we can't have 1 dude put a good game? that's coaching.

 

They have Mike Tomlin, so you can forget about:

- game planning being good
- in game adjustments being good
- player development being good
- player accountability being good (very irritating, but Tomlin wants to be every players bestus buddy)
- ever blowing out ANY team, no matter how awful the opponent
- ever avoiding being blown out in any given year, no matter how bad the opponent


You can count on:
- being out-coached by even the worst NFL HC in history
- players acting stupid and not getting benched, even for one play or series, much less one or more games
- useless slogans
- commentators and pundits constantly reminding us how great Tomlin is, as if all are on Tomlin's payroll as public relations staffers. we know he's awful coach, telling us he is good is falling on deaf ears (finally, afte 10+ years of suck!!!)

When Tomlin is gone, and at this poitn i don't care how, we at least have a clean slate to be STEELERS football again in actual practice, not in just empty slogans that create a lot of ROTFLMAO moments for non-Steelers fans and Steelers fans alike.

We're a joke of a franchise now. I hate ever minute of it. It's just sad.

 

Mistakes like that indicate a lack of mental focus,and preparedness. In other words, they weren't ready to play.That falls squarely on the heads of the coaches. It's Tomlin's MO year after year and Im sick of it.

 

In the proper chain of command, you would go to Danny Smith and ask him WTF?

 

So why bother looking for someone to get if the coaching is not up to par. Everyone in the league knows how the Steelers franchise operates so anyone that is good will stay away from this franchise. Everyone in the front office has blinders on. Art SR. is probably turning over in his grave seeing the disaster his one son has caused.

 

Its time for Art Jr to grow a set and get rid of this staff. Its obvious thats what at the root of all of this. They have had 3 heads coaches over the past blahblahblahblahblahblahblah.....

Its time to bring in new blood, create a new culture of winning and not one of the cliche king who obviously lives in his fears....obviously

 

At this nonsense getting several positive reactions. The ‘08 team was carried by the defense. They were arguably the best defense in franchise history outside of the Steel Curtain. They were the best defense in the NFL and they were the mvps of that team, not Ben and that 20+ ranked offense. Ben had Ward, Holmes, and Miller with Fast-Willie and Moore combing for 1400 yards on the ground, yet was only 17td-15int for the year and in that playoff run only threw 3 tds in 3 games. The nerve of you pretending that Ben was the reason that they won it in ‘08. He was a game manager and that’s the role they should’ve kept him in going forward. They would’ve won more rings had they done so.

Why have you taken “Kenny is just not nfl caliber” off of the table? You’d convince yourself that the only possible explanation is that the coaches are somehow sabotaging and holding him back rather than even entertain the possibility that he’s just not good. Other QBs are capable of making reads and throws that Kenny hasn’t shown the ability to make with the kind of consistency that would allow them to accumulate stats and points. The opportunities are there guys. Every game we see Kenny miss scoring opportunities that QBs on other teams don’t.

 

The only problem is that we live in the salary cap era. We can't just pay an NFL top 5 QB "Game Manager" money and then build the team accordingly. Ben made AB, Bell, etc., just as much as they made him and he was a perennial top 5 guy in the best QB era that's ever existed in the game.

SB's are a crap shoot in today's game. You need the best team and a lot of luck. Peyton Manning was potentially the best ever outside of Brady and he only got 1 ring before his 39th birthday. Got another one in his last season in the league. He went 2SB's for 15 times in the dance. Aaron Rodgers is a top 5 all time and he has 1, went 1/12. Brees was great. 1, 1/10. Ben 2/12.... These guys had super long careers too. Its not as simple as everyone thinks. Brady and Mahomes are the outliers, not the norm. We won as many as we did with Ben because Ben was really good. Him not winning any after 2011 isn't an indictment that he wasn't good enough. Hard to sell me that he wasn't good enough when he outperformed guys like Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, etc. in SB wins/times in playoffs.

Kenny is not NFL caliber appears to be the answer. Sure, some of it can be pointed to coaching, but there is a level of "you've gotta go out there and do it". This team might be somewhat poorly coached in some areas, but we haven't had a losing season in 20 years... that doesn't happen with "coaching that is so bad that it hinders our existence". Ben developed, we've had plenty of other players get a lot better over time. We've had others that haven't. I get sometimes coaching plays a factor, but it is usually that the player wasn't as good as we thought they could be. I can agree that Tomlin has gotten stale and probably needs to go (I personally believe he is overrated), but him and the staff aren't the reason why Kenny is failing. Its on the player.

 

Question... those 12 men on the field penalties, aren't those on the positional coaches?

Who is in charge of getting different formations on an off the field?

 

The most bone headed error during the Arizona game was after a 30 minute rain delay we had to call a timeout on the very first play. How do you not have the right personnel on the field after a half an hour?

 

34tds-28ints for his playoff career isn’t “nfl top 5”. He played in an inflated era where got to put up some gaudy regular season numbers but when it came to playoffs it was what it was.

They paid him hoping that along with weapons he and the offense could carry the team to more championships, but it didn’t work. Ben couldn’t carry the team on his back in the playoffs. They paid him like he could but he couldn’t. In hindsight, they’d probably been better off with a game manager type qb so that they could’ve reloaded and maintained that dominant defense which was mainly responsible for 3 sb appearances in 5-6 years.

Luck definitely comes into play in wining a sb, but it’s not a crap shoot. There’s a reason that certain franchises have multiple rings while others don’t have any. The Steelers had a great formula until they gave it up trying to keep with the Jones’s.

Above you kinda support a position that I’ve personally held for a long time. This idea that the nfl is a qb league and you need to have the best qb to win is mainly a myth. The better team wins a lot more than the team who just has the better qb. Brady and Mahomes are outliers. Ben wasn’t. Ben never won in the postseason unless he was leading the superior team. When you look at Ben’s numbers on the teams that actually won in the postseason, they were very game manager-like. The teams that he put up the “top 5 qb” numbers on all pretty much underachieved.

I think that QB play in this league is very mediocre and given that, Kenny could still possibly/maybe/hopefully be serviceable enough to make some noise. This defense isn’t that far away from being dominant in my opinion. If Kenny could just learn to do the basics consistently, that could be enough.

The Tomlin is stale talking point is so silly to me. This team would be under water with another coach. They just had a great draft and have even found a couple guys off the heap that look promising(Warren, Thompson). This is only the 2nd year post-Ben. People are acting like they were supposed to be contenders this year.

 

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