Pickett and Co Week 12 Analysis

I know the board members remember that the other team gets paid also..

 

The catch should have been made. The throw wasn't perfect, but a high school player would tell you they should catch it. An NFL wide receiver needs to catch that ball. It's that simple.

 

That is an easy catch for a NFL receiver. I still think it was a catch and should have been challenged.

 

He should have held on to it.

One other thing. KFP has gotten raked over the coals here, deservedly so at times. But some of you guys act as if every pass by All-Pro QB's are perfect dimes every time. I'd submit there wouldn't be any wide receiver highlight reels if every pass was perfect. Kenny has been dissected enough without grinding on a play where Johnson had control of the ball until he hit the ground. Geez.

 

It will never stop unless KFP becomes Pat Mahomes.

 

Stop My Friends....just stop. I want KFP to be great.....I need Him to be great, but You guys are not being realistic here. There is a reason that KFP has less tds than some backups that have only been playing a few weeks. Yes Wrs should make hard catches, but every dang td catch should not have to be hard. If He threw that pass when he should have....it was very open, and he could have under hand tossed it to him. LoL. Gosh dang suck a$$ 3rd string Tommy Devito of the Giants has more tds, and He has only played 3, or four games. Again I want Him to be awesome.....I need Him to be awesome, and I have seen baby step at KFP getting better, but people sticking up , and coddling Him at every turn will not make Him better. As far as tds the only people He's ahead of that I can find....are people that are out injured, and 2nd, and 3rd string Qbs that haven't played many games. That's the reality of the situation. I pray it gets better. Because it only hurts My beloved Steelers if they have to use another pick on Qb. Especially when We need other positions for draft.
We desperately need KFP to be the guy, and hopefully He will be. You know I don't hate him.

 

Steelers put up 16 points... Hell let's start a parade.

I'd say it's better than even odds Kenny is one of those QBs that will require an OC constantly reminding him to look downfield. When he does take shots some will be schemed for a given look the defense has shown on film. Actual plays where Kenny gets through his reads and puts that ball downfield will remain few and far between and it's hard to win in the NFL doing that.

They need to take a shot on another young QB in this next draft. Park someone behind him he's more scared of than the rush.

 

With all of the holes this team has yet to fill, I don't know why anybody would want them to select another quarterback in this draft, 2 years after doing so in the first round. Now, signing a veteran that can push him better than either Mitch or Mason? I'm totally on board with that.

 

I really don't know why it bears repeating so many times but everybody understands that Pickett still needs to improve quite a bit. However, that was not a difficult catch by any stretch of the imagination. Especially considering what we see out of receivers every single week throughout the NFL. Including the Steelers own George Pickens.

 

I could say the same exact thing about the throw. We see backups make that throw way easier every single week.
Sorry....I guess I should keep my opinions to myself. LoL. Again....yes evey wr makes hard catches, but not every TD catch should be hard. I guess You have never been running full speed in one direction, and had to turn completely around to make a catch....it's not simple. It's actually easier to dive for one out ahead. Again yes He should have caught it, but it's not as easy a catch as You are saying.

 

Sure it was. And do you know how I know that? Because he caught it! If you're going to use hindsight and replays to determine it was an off target pass, I'm going to use hindsight and replays to tell you that he had possession of the ball with two steps. The ball was knocked out by the defender. The Steelers decided not to challenge it. Pretty simple really.

 

So that doesn't make it a hard catch??? Both can't be correct???

 

Not as difficult as you're making it out to be. I love how you make it sound like you're the only athletic one on this message board. Like nobody else has ever done anything athletic. I'm not some dolt with two left feet who doesn't understand that running at full speed and spinning is difficult. However, when you watch the replay, DJ easily had the fluidity in his hips to spin and didn't even break step when he did so.
The thing that really gets me is that there were a few really truly head scratching throws Pickett had during that game but this is the one under the microscope? And I'll say it again, nobody said anything like that during the game day thread about that throw.

 

The ball was caught. He had multiple steps before it was knocked out. Should’ve been called a catch. Should’ve been challenged. But it wasn’t. They won. So, it doesn’t matter.

 

I am not coddling him, guy. Yes, he needs to get better, blah, blah, blah. All of Steeler Nation will agree. Those that don't are fan boys. But stop, please stop busting his balls about the Johnson no catch. DJ is a 5-year vet, and depending on how one quantifies a #1 receiver, he is that guy or number 1a behind George. He has to make that catch. They all aren't going to be lay-ups, whether they are thrown by Kenny Pickett or Kenny Stabler.

 

Absolutely. No matter how this season plays out regarding Pickett's development or lack thereof, they need to bring in a reliable vet that can challenge him for the starting job. If KP loses the job in camp next year or stumbles around in '24, then a QB becomes priority one in the '25 draft.

 

No, the drop cost them a TD. It's a lot harder to throw it than it is to catch it.

Here's a video by NFL QB Chase Daniel. Watch starting at 8:50. Shows the play from multiple angles. Shows that this is a ball that should be caught.



Kurt Warner has a video saying the same thing. It needs to be caught. Watch at 2:40

 

You do draft another QB (at some point...not saying 1st or 2nd necessarily) because you know neither Trubisky or Rudolph are threats to his position and both should be gone next year unless they keep playing for whatever the veteran minimum is. I would prefer them both gone whether they choose to play for the veteran minimum or not.

Also, apparently you must not have checked out the free agent QB pool for 2024. I don't see anything aside from Cousins that I would want Pickett or any Rookie Qb coming in to play behind. Their just going to pick up bad habits and be introduced to inconsistent winning and QB play sitting behind those other QBs which means they're going to be in there playing sooner than later anyhow. Unfortunately, Cousins will likely end up being too expensive if Dobbs and the other backup QB can't keep Minnesota afloat.

 

So you use up a valuable 3rd or 4th round pick on a guy who may not even be better than your current guy? No thanks. I think they wait until 2025 if necessary.

Then again, the rest of this season will tell us a lot about what they may do.

 

Might be a weak FA QB class, but what third round or lower QB is going to be a threat to start over Pickett? They have too many other needs to take what will likely amount to a camp arm. I agree with your opinion on Mason and Mitch, unless Mitch is willing to come back for vet minimum.

 

They can draft in the 1st or 2nd and they not end up being better then the current guy. Steelers are starting to build a reputation of not doing very well on their first pick in the draft if you haven't noticed. This last draft may be the exception. Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson and the aforementioned Kirk Cousins are all QBs drafted 3rd rd or later so it can happen.

Besides that I don't think you pointed out a Veteran QB that would legitimately have a chance to challenge at the position that would be any better then Trubisky or Rudolph.

 

Doesn't really matter what I think they should do, I'm telling you what I think they will do and that's not take a QB in this upcoming draft. Just my opinion.

 

I was just doing the same and a very weak free agent QB pool and who they currently have backing him up is why I think they will....but yeah you're right most of it depends on what Kenny does the rest of the season.

 

The throw didn't cost them the TD though. It was a TD. It was knocked out when he hit the ground after the had 3 feet and possession.

He's not grasping that concept. Of all the throws to critique, he's picking this one.

I'd be with him if he was going off on the miss to Pickens on the slant.

Or even the low ball to DJ on 3rd down. That was a great catch and a throw he should have gotten up, but was pretty decent getting it out to him with the rush.

 

Exactly. He missed the throw to Pickens who was wide open. That was a bad throw, even thought there was a mistake in protection and he had a free runner. The WR was wide open and he missed him. That's on Pickett.

Pickett making a throw into a tight window in the end zone and the receiver having to make a slight adjustment to catch the ball isn't something to beat the quarterback up about unless you have an agenda. Pickett only really missed on two throws in this game. That's it.

DJ has now dropped more touchdown passes than he has caught in 2 years. Nobody seems to make mention of that.