Mendenhall vs Dwyer

draft pick. udfa added. batch,rainey.

 

This thread is hilarious.

I've already posted numbers and vids of what Mendenhall can do.

He's the better back, and he should have been starting from the moment he was healthy.

Last year, without playing the whole year, he scored one fourth of the teams TDs.

Yell about the "dancing" and lie about the fumbling "problem" all you people want to. The numbers are right in front of you.

Ben is an above average pro QB, but he is not elite. Elite QBs find a way to make it happen even when they don't have a run game. Ben has not proven he can do that. And this season serves as proof that he can't do that, yet. I think he knows this and doesn't like it. I noted the mocking tone in his voice, during his interview, when Mendenhall returned. He said something like, "Oh! The savior has returned!" He said it in a very facetious manner.

This team lost because they didn't have Mendenhall running.

 

this post is hilarious .... while i do agree mendy is the most talented back...his head may not be there...

and as far as saying ben isnt an elite Qb ... I would like to see brady manning's rogers put up bens numbers over the years with the o-line he has had to deal with...get a grip bro

 

This argument is a myth. One of the things that makes them great is their ability to read defenses pre-snap and get rid of the ball quickly. People ***** about our lack of pressure but ignore that these guys are gettign rid of the ball faster than we can physically get there. Last year Woodley even talked about this in an interview after being asked about the lack of blitzes. They're basically just spinning their wheels and going nowhere because the qb's release is so fast. For years we tried to blitz brady and got burned repeatedly. Last year we changed up and voila, success. THe Jets used a similar blueprint in 2010 playoffs. They pretty much stuck to rushing just 3 linemen for the game and ate the pats for lunch.

 

What happened when Brady Was pressured in the super bowl? was that imaginary myth pressure?
What about when we pressured Manning in the 05 Playoffs he mustered a big 3 points through 3 quarters? was that imaginary myth pressure? and Peyton Basically threw his o-linemen under the bus?

Those are two examples I can think of off the top of my head. Fact is any Qb that is pressured consistently looks average.... sorry but we would be *****ing about brady with our o-line continually being banged up the way it is...

 

Those are called anomalies. These guys have proven time and time again that they will pick apart the blitz. The pats lost last year, but if Welker catches that wide open 3rd down pass the giants never see the ball again.

 

If brady would have put that ball on the money welker catches that easily...fact is it wasnt a great pass...catchable...but not great...and there are many more instances of that...just two off the top of my head...

 

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Isn't the truth refreshing?

Don't despair about Ben not being elite. You don't need an elite QB to win SBs. You just need a top-performing QB (above average) surrounded with the right talent. This is what Ben is.

As far as your Mendenhall comment... "his head may not be there" So you're saying it "may" not? So, you don't know. And his stats from last season don't seem to go with what you are saying. If you're upset about him not showing to a game, then we may have to argue that point separately. Similar to so many people taking Wallace holding out so personally and trying to translate that into why he shouldn't play, like that's a valid argument.

Look at all the offensive production those two (Mendy/Wallace) have put in over the past couple seasons. You will see why the Steelers offense failed this year. Wallace's issues stifled some of his scoring and Mendy was kept out of the games for some ambiguous reason. And not even the much celebrated Redman and Dwyer, working together, could even get close to the numbers Mendy put up, last season. Ben needs someone like Mendy to scare the opposing defense.

Think about it... defenses know they have to cover the run and the pass because between Mendy and Wallace they could get killed for a big play, at any given moment.... Commit to the run at the wrong time and Wallace gets on top of the D... Commit to the pass at the wrong time and Mendy might run 20+ on you... That took a lot of pressure off of Ben... And he doesn't have that anymore.

BTW... their teammates are not mad at them for doing what they've done.

 

Mendy has the most talent of all our RB's, unfortunatley
he has lost his way? (Not A Team player). A change of scenery may do him and the Steelers
both good. So long Mendy,maybe we can get something for you in return.

 

He's a free agent. How are we getting anything for him?

 

comp pick...id say that we would probably get a 4-5 rd for mendy

 

yes and probably a 3rd for wallace but not this year but in 2014

 

Well, Rogers is playing behind an absolutely terrible O-line. He is constantlygetting pressured, hit and sacked. Their running game is as anemic as ours has been, his top WRs have been injured - yet he has that team heading into the playoffs on a high note. You theory about other elite QBs not being able to play behind our line is bogus. Charlie Batch beat the Ravens behind our line this year - to say Manning, Brady, Rogers etc could not is a bogus theory.

 

It's beyond bogus and is nothing more than excuse from people who clearly don't watch other teams play. Rodgers gets pressured just as much as Ben does, and their running game is just as bad, yet Rodgers carries his team to the playoffs and puts up top 5 numbers in the process. Rodgers has had a terrible Oline his whole career, but he gets rid of the ball very quickly. Ben makes our already terrible Oline look even worse than they are because he refuses to get rid of the ball quickly.

The Oline in NE is pretty bad this year too and was a huge question mark coming into this season. While they have the advantage of using the running game to alleviate some of the pressure, it only hides the fact they have a weak Oline, it doesn't make them better. Brady gets rid of the ball quickly.

Not to mention that Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, etc. change the protection or the routes if they see that pressure is coming. Ben doesn't seem to do that nearly enough, or he's just not able to read the defence as well as those guys.

Ben has a ton of improving to do. Elite or not elite means jack to me, Ben didn't play well enough this year to get us into the playoffs, not even close. He needs to spend this off-season working on getting rid of the ball quicker and reading defences.

 

your out of your mind if you think that the packers and the patriots o-lines are as banged up as the steelers... did green bay have to change their all pro center to guard to get by? did they have to start a 3rd string rookie 7th round RT? Did they have a converted RT starting at Guard for the first time in his life? If you can answer yes then you can tell me the argument is bogus...but im pretty sure you cant..

and look what happened when the packers oline was struggling...the packers were vulnerable and rogers looked average...

Ben was on his way to a career year before he got injured...and dont tell me he was the same player after the injury...the guy barely has time to throw sometimes...and dont tell me the way he is pressured and the way rogers and brady is pressured is the same...because its clearly not

 

Must be a mixed bag. I read articles that said some of them weren't. I guess it depends on who you're talking to.

Hey, I'm okay with agreeing to disagree with others. I think of elite as something different.

 

what is your definition of elite then?

 

Ben has the following to back up the Elite argument...Not sure what else there is...
Stats
Wins
Super Bowls
Intangibles

 

Hey, I hear you, and that's one point of view. We both have different opinions about this. So, I'll just agree to disagree with you.

Another thing we should consider is that most of us clearly have different definitions of what "elite" means for an NFL QB. To truly have an objective argument about this we'd need to clearly define what "elite" means.

Based on my own viewpoint, Ben is above average which makes him good enough to win SBs with the right talent around him. However, there's a reason he's not gotten an MVP for the SB.

Elites can manage to never win an SB (Dan Marino, etc.). And non-elites can win an SB (Trent Dilfer, etc.). This is because football is a team sport.

Above average QBs like Ben have flashes of elite play, but they never sustain them. The elites sustain high levels of play even when they are forced to be one-dimensional in offensive attack. Ben has not done this, season-in and season-out.

 

This thread is "Mendenhall vs. Dwyer". I think this conversation should be moved to one of the threads about Ben not being elite.

Meanwhile, Mendenhall is our best back, and the Steelers should try to keep him.

 

You are dillusional...The Packers line has been in flux all year, similar to ours. They were starting a washed up Jeff Saturday at center, their starting RT is out for the season and they are on their second replacement, Saturday is now replaced by an undrafted guy, their left guard spot has seen backups. Only their LT and RG have played each game (similar to us). Rogers has been sacked 46 time so far this year - 11 more times than Steeler QBs (and that include 2 old guys who started and were sitting ducks). Rogers is very elusive and moves scrambles well, he is good at reading defenses and does it quickly. His line fails in protection and they can't run the ball either. I say Ben would get killed behind Green Bay's line, and Rogers would be hit less behind our line.