Mike Tomlin says there's going to be some changes

How did that save Ben's career? Extended Ben's career, maybe.
The super bowls stopped when Haley showed up, that's all I need to know.

 

You're right, but right now Canada is the last scape goat. Once Canada is fired, the ship has to be righted or the next head on the block will be Tomlins. He won't be able to pin anything on the next assistant. It won't matter if it's offensive or defensive, Tomlin has to get it right or he's gone.

I have been saying it for 10+ years. I think Tomlin is one of the worst coaches in the NFL, so he won't be able to right this thing. I just don't know how much longer the Rooney's will stick with him. They're proving to be very stubborn

 

Agreed fully. Ben turned into a pocket passer, someone who would slide around the pocket to extend plays, but no more sandlot football. If not for Haley, once Ben's natural athleticism started to wane, his career would have fallen off a cliff. He wouldn't have been able to play his game. Ben should be thankful for Haley, very thankful.

 

The SB's stopped in 2008. That was the last one we won. There are a lot of years between 2008 and when Haley got hired, lots. There's also several assistants in there, as well as line coaches, special teams coaches, etc. A little ridiculous you focus on the OC as the reason we didn't win any more SB's, and while I know you didn't specifically say that, you strongly implied it.

 

Agree with this. It will be an internal hire for at least the remainder of the year. It's just too hard to change the entire system and expect the players to learn it in season. Whether Canada is fired mid season or not, there wont' be much in the way of changes. This internal hiring thing has been a disaster under Tomlin. I have to believe they recognize the need for change and will bring in someone from the outside during the off season.

Canada is terrible and would be terrible on most teams, but I still believe Tomlin is the bigger problem and needs to go. I have no doubt he's an amazing person to have in the locker room. The guys love him. He says the right things to them. He supports them, but he's not getting it done and really hasn't since 2010

 

why is canada the last scapegoat? all phases of the team are failing. it starts and stops at the top. art2 stinks as the head guy. he has allowed and created this mess. it's in his hands. we won a lot of games with canada. he is not the biggest problem. it goes much deeper. canada may be one of the problems but above him is just as big of problems as well as equal to him and below him.

 

Why? Because that's how it goes. The assistants always fall first. You can only fire so many assistants before the head coach needs to go. I believe we've reached that point. Right now Canada is the scape goat for this time. While I agree the problem is far bigger than Canada, all the focus is on Canada right now. He'll eventually get fired, and if the next guy sucks too, it will fall on Tomlin's head. Hell, even if the offence is decent but the team sucks because of defence, the focus will be all on Tomlin.

You can only hire and fire so many assistants before the head coach gets blamed. I think we've reached that point.

I agree that Art2 is making mistakes, but he's the owner, he's not going anywhere and probably won't ever change.

 

You are correct about the assistants. They either fail and get fired or they get promotional opportunities. Let’s see, how many of Tomlin’s assistants have received promotional opportunities? None of them! (You can’t include BA since he “retired”) How many have failed and been fired, not retained, “retired”, etc.? ALL of them! Who is the common denominator behind this lack of success? Mike Tomlin! It’s time for Coach T to get on with his life’s work.

 

The steelers had been in the super bowl in 2010.....

 

it was ariens, it was LeBeau, it was Fichtner, it was butler, it was haley, it was canada, it was austin, it was LB coaches, it was the RB coach, it was the WR coach, it was the O-line coach a couple of times, it's time to cut the head off the snake.

 

Did they win? If you're not 1st, you're last. Why set an arbitrary line such as a SB appearance? Why not conference championships? Why not any playoff appearance? I don't care about a SB appearance any more than I care about losing in the 1st round. Blaming Haley for lack of SB's is a little ridiculous considering our offence was good most of those years. Not to mention he's been gone for 5 years and we've only gotten worse

 

I mean, it's a big accomplishment to make the super bowl...only 2 teams play in the super bowl each year...Big difference being in the super bowl than being 8-8,9-7 or 9-8

 

I agree, but you can't deny that right now all the focus is on Canada. There is some talk about Tomlin, but very little. There's almost no talk about our defence, which also sucks outside of Watt.

I'm just saying, Canada will be fired, it's only a matter of time. He sucks and won't survive. But after that, the focus will shift to Tomlin and not the assistants. Tomlin has built this legacy around himself somehow despite a serious lack of success, but it's crumbling. I believe AR2 will give him more time, he'll hire a new OC and when that fails, Tomlin will fall. I don't think he can survive firing yet another assistant. Something has to give.

I agree fully with you, but what we think and what will happen are two different things.

 

No disagreement, but under Haley we went 13-3, 11-5, 10-6, 11-5 and 2 seasons of 500 ball.
In his last playoff game with us, we put up 42 points and lost. Can you blame the OC for that?
But fine, blame Haley for a lack of SB wins/appearances. Who gets the blame since? Fitchner? Canada? Does defence not count for anything? What about the guy that hired all those assistants?

 

Superbowls stopped when the defense got old

 

Yes, that was the era of give Ben all the weapons to compete with other offenses and we badly underinvested in defense. The balance has to be right.

 

And wasn't invested in as they aged out!!

 

Question is will Rooney open the wallet and get a proven successful OC or we go cheap with an unknown or red herring like Leftwich. Why I say that is he had Brady and you have to discount that just like McDaniels. Can actually go spend some money and get a top guy! It should be interim now til the end of the season and if the defense doesn't improve **** can Austin too. In todays age, its improve or move on, looks how quickly the Eagles retooled. You cant wait a decade.

 

Semantics.

 

I remember Ben playing in a very winnable super bowl a couple years later, then Haley was the OC one year after that. Not lots, one.
I was more than implying.

 

That didn't help.