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No OL in first round!

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Steelresolve, Jan 31, 2023.

  1. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Broderick Jones at #17
    John Michael Schmitz at #32
     
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  2. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    2012 starting o-line- Max Starks, Willie Colon, Pouncey, Ramon Foster, Marcus Gilbert
    2013 starting 0-line- Mike Adams, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert
    2014 starting o-line- Beachum, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert
    2015 starting o-line- Same as 2014
    2016 starting o-line- Villenueva, Foster, Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert
    2017 starting o-line- Same as 2016
    2018 starting 0-line- Villenueva, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Matt Feiler

    I'm tired, so I'll stop. Remind me which ones were UDFA.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Villanueva, foster, feiler. Adams didn't start long. Pouncey was out two years injured. Finney was an udfa then. Wisniewski took over one of those years. pouncey missed a lot of time early in his career as well with had ankles and was suspended for a couple of games. there was the year of jonathon scott at tackle too. :cool:
     
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  4. Dax777

    Dax777 Well-Known Member

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    Strange. I'd use the top 3 picks on Oline if I could.

    1. Broderick Jones
    2. Dawand Jones
    2b. John Micheal Schmidt
    3. Julius Brentz
    4. Karl Brooks or Calvin Pace
    7. Sirvocea Dennis or Isiah Land
    7 Ramirez
     
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  5. Dax777

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    Can't say I see much wrong here. Personally, I prefer Emmanuel Forbes and think JPJ will be gone ( which I'd like). And Mazi can help the line
     
  6. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

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    So under your scenario we literally have no replenishment on the defensive line. I mean Heyward is an all world talent but he can’t do it all on his own. That draft is simply irresponsible. So now we would be over leveraged on the offensive line with a completely inept defense. I mean it is apparent Offenses do win championships now based on the way they officiate and the rules catering to the offense but wow your really banking on the mid to late round draft picks on defense providing a lot of help. I am not so sure that is realistic.
     
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  7. Steelresolve

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    There are not four that are worthy of the 17th pick. Harrison is soft and definitely isn’t a sure thing. All our free agent money is going towards resigning Sutton on Defense. In addition we either have to put money towards Highsmith or trade him. SO no matter how you slice it were either making an already expensive defense more expensive or depleting it by trading away a huge asset. No way they spend on a high pedigree under performing vet at ILB such as Edmunds. I would hate that signing. He wasn’t even the best ILB on the Bills team this year. There are way better options and cheaper options in free agency at ILB.
     
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  8. Dax777

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    One, Hayward is not on his own. He has Leal and Loudermilk.

    Two, Karl Brooks is a DLineman of the violent hands variety. So I did draft a replenishment player.

    That said, a team with a young athletic QB, needs that overwhelmingly run blocking front that can help him. Our defense is very good. We'd be adding a #2 corner to it and good backup at rush LB. I generally ignored LB coz this years crop were all average. It won't surprise me if guys drafted in the 7 round are just as good as the early round guys.

    We have good D and a weak Offense line with talented skill position guys. Time to hit the line and make it a strength. We have a 4 year window to win our first Superbowl on a cheap QB. The Oline is the fastest way to get there.
     
  9. Steelresolve

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    Yes with Leal and Loudermilk, Heyward is essentially on his own. Karrl Brooks a DL from the MAC is completely unproven. The only way this works is if Ogunjobi returns.

    No way Steelers first three picks are OL. It just isn’t practical. They like Dan Moore more than the fans do. The realistic view is they will probably draft one lineman early and a developmental one late. If they go OT they will probably move Moore inside to guard.

    I doubt Brents gets past the second round but it is a very deep cb class. With that said I feel like we need to grab one fairly early so we don’t miss out on top tier talent. If we're going to double up at any position, I feel like DB is the area to do it in.

    You say we have a good D but you fail to realize how much we are losing in free agency on that side. I would love to load up on offensive lineman too but it just isn’t practical with all of the other needs we have.
     
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  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I think if Pickett gets more time to read receivers, his output throwing the ball will definitely increase.

    Therefore, I`m in favor of using 1st round pick on an offensive tackle if any considered elite are available.

    This may be the simplest thing to do to increase point production on offense.
     
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  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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  13. Wardismvp

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    Najee number 1 in 21 KP #1 in 22. I would hope the Steelers get them some help?
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we have no backup offensive tackle on the team right now. scott and davis are free agents. :cool:
     
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  15. CK 13

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    This! Moore is a nice player but he is not a great blind side protector and has major issues with quick pass rushers. I would like to see him compete for the left guard position or be a back up for both tackle and guard.

    Get rid of the waste Kendrick Green.

    Just say NO to Porter Jr.

    The next 2 picks should be defensive tackle and corner.
     
  16. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Curious what you don’t like about JP Jr. I’m just at the beginning of my film watching for the draft, but I have seen some nice traits for JP Jr. in my first look. It would be nice if he held on the ball once in a while, but first and foremost we need a CB to stop the other team’s receivers.
     
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  17. CK 13

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    The draft is pretty deep with corners. He will go in the 1st where I see more value in a left tackle or a defensive tackle at 17.

    It seems just to be a name thing at this point that's getting Steeler Fans attention. Not saying he is not a solid player he is. But there are others they could grab at 32. Or 49.

    My hope is they resign Sutton.
     
  18. S.T.D

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    So far I've watched Him the least. I haven't really got to Him yet. What do You like so much about Him???
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    My #1 priority is corner, even if we retain Sutton. I could go LT or DL at #17 if an elite player slides to that spot. My view could change if I watch more film and draw my own conclusion that corner is do deep that we can wait until #32. That’s usually not the case. Usually any corners that are highly regarded coming out go pretty early.
     
  20. S.T.D

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    Even if they resigned Sutton....We still need another (real) Cb.
     
  21. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Length to match up with bigger receivers. Solid play in press man, with the ability to play off. Like I said, it’s very early in my film watching. I don’t know where I will ultimately slot him. However, I certainly don’t think he should be looked at as a gimmick pick for us because of his dad. He’s his own player, and legitimately in the 1st round conversation regardless of who his dad is.
     
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  22. S.T.D

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    Just asking My Friend....like I said I haven't actually seen much of Him yet. I hope He goes to the combine, and doesn't decline drills.
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m not really big on the combine. I watch it and enjoy it, but I have seen MANY players measure/time well and look great in the drills, only to be crap in the NFL. I remember several years back there was a corner who was considered a mid round pick entering the combine who looked amazingly smooth and fluid in all of the CB drills. The talking heads did their whole “he made himself a lot of money” and started putting him in the 1st round of their mock drafts. We actually drafted him in a middle round (not the 1st), and he washed out of the league pretty quickly. EDIT: it was Curtis Brown in 2011.

    I think the combine is valuable to the teams for 2 reasons: 1) having 300 players in the same place at the same time for interviews and behavior observation, and 2) medical exams/testing.

    Film is king. Trust the film. Screw the 40 times or doing drills in shorts. It’s entertaining, but it’s not going to tell you who can play football in pads.

    /end rant
     
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  24. S.T.D

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    I agree on part of this, but for those Guys from small schools that I never watch, and that don't really play against competition.....it's hard to see what they really are. I can look like a all pro if I'm playing against a bunch of people that will never even be on a practice squad in the NFL. Example: Qb that Tennessee took that Blast wanted.
    Also if Jarvis Jones did all His stuff at the combine, but He didn't(because He was hiding stuff)...We may not drafted the slow stiff fool.
    Tape only matters against real competition.
    Hell even You, and I would look great against 3rd grade girls. LoL
    The whole combine is best when You link up the combine results with the game tape together.
     
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  25. CK 13

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    Gentlemen I agree, but, not at 17. A 10 year franchise left tackle should be first. Moore is not it.

    At 32 either a corner or defensive tackle.

    At 49 look above.
     

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