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I don’t want to hear a word ever again from Mitch why he is not starter.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Ytownsteeler, Dec 11, 2022.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So has Pickett proven anything Yet. No .
    I believe He will , but I have No proof. You know why....because He hasn't played enough. Same thing with Mason, but like some on here have jump to conclusions already about Pickett.....You did about Mason. It's OK.
    Oh ,and of course our Coaches, GMs, and other coaches, and Gms never make mistakes.....right???
     
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  2. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Bortles almost beat the Patriots a week later, they also had a young Fournette, and the #1 ranked defense.
     
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  3. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't mean anything that they had a 3rd string QB in there, it's not like he had to throw 30 times in the game, Brown just had to hand the ball off to win.
     
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  4. OB1

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    i think that's the point: how do you let the other team run when they effectively have a random fan playing QB for them?
     
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  5. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers front seven sucks that's how :shrug:.
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Well We have slowly turned into a bend don't break Defense, and that type of game with the Qb throwing 3 ints , only throwing 1td, and a field goal block ....Well they fall right into killing a bend ,but don't break D.
    If You be honest ,and look back .....even up to 8 years ago.....if a team could stay with us....they could run on us. Thing was We did have the ability a lot of times to pull ahead, and make them abandon the run. Not now.
     
  7. FootballAnalyst98

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    I didn't talk about him before now and I don't care if you or anybody here takes me seriously. Idk why you continue to mention this stuff.

    And he did show elite. That's why Lincoln brought him to USC with him. Did you not see that comeback vs Texas he had last yr?
    2000 yds and 21 tds in 7 games is great as a TRUE FRESHMAN. He was ranked as the best player in the Transfer portal and he was 3rd in Heisman odds prior to the season. lol.https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nca...pers-ahead-week-zero/t7yqpadbcbc1eyqvrslrkepv
     
  8. FootballAnalyst98

    FootballAnalyst98 Well-Known Member

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    Never said
    You obviously can't read. Can't play and wouldn't be what he is today is two different things dumbass. He would not be the same player he was. He started out as a GAME MANAGER and that was fine in his day and age. Game managers are a thing of the past then in the randy moss time he proved to be more than that. But hed not have been able to win those early sbs playing the way he played in this nfl as the player he started out as in his first few years which is what gave him the time and leeway to become what he eventually became cause he had the rings.

    Also Mac Jones is not completely immobile and a statue like brady, manning, brees, rivers, eli, matt ryan, etc.. all those guys from back then. His draft profile even says he has elusivity as a runner https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mac-jones/32004a4f-4e58-6540-bb7f-c07b995d57a4

    and he ran a 4.82.. .02 seconds slower than mahomes. And alot of analysts have ridiculed Mac Jones as an avg qb so idk why your brought him up. He's no where near the top guys in the league and never will be.
     
  9. SteelersFan369

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    Under Riley, Baker and Murray won the Heisman and were No. 1 overall picks in the NFL Draft. The same is likely true with Caleb unless injury. The question to be answered is, will he be more successful than the other two in the NFL, at least at this stage in both careers where they are both under .500 in their won-loss records since being in the NFL.
     
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  10. adullin

    adullin Well-Known Member

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    I just don't understand why the Steelers got a QB who's only winning record is vs the Lions.
     
  11. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    So, you can look stuff up now, but knew nothing before the season. Got it.

    Preseason Heisman Trophy odds don't mean much. Spencer Rattler was a favorite before the start of the 2021 season. He lost his job halfway through.

    I never said he didn't show something as a freshman, but the argument you seemed to be making was that the Steelers should have passed on Pickett so they might be able to draft Williams in 2024. He hadn't shown enough to make that a reasonable take, and you are making it based on information they did not have in April.
     
  12. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Ah C’mon, those INTs looked intentional. Mitch just upset and F’n with us?

    Look at me look at me

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  13. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I love seeing you making fun of somebody else's ability to read. That may be one of the funnier things I've read on this site.

    By your logic, Brady would never have gotten the chance. Your argument comes down to saying that Tom Brady couldn't have done what he did in the current NFL, which is just a comical take.

    Also, Brady didn't remain a game manager. Pickett won't be good enough if that's all he can ever do, either, but you keep assuming he already is everything that he will ever be, which just makes no sense.

    You also seem to be pegging him as someone who lacks athleticism. I guess you haven't been watching this season just as you didn't see or properly interpret what he did in college.
     
  14. FootballAnalyst98

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    he maybe wouldn’t have. He got his chance thanks to an injury to someone else. Not because he was just blowing people away and he just so happen to win the sb so he kept the job. Early Tom Brady no. 07 Tom Brady and on. Yes. Brady got the luxury of developing because he lucked up and won a Sb his first yr. And he wasn’t playing in a pass happy era like today. He won his first sb throwing 1 td pass the whole playoffs. That’s not happening in this nfl. You can’t run your way and play all out defense to win sbs any more like NE did with young Brady.

    I don’t care what you like to read nor what you think about anything. Why do you keep mentioning any of it as if it’s relevant?

    didn’t say he lacks athleticism. I said its nothing special about him. It’s a difference. Pickett won’t win a sb anytime soon nor do anything in the next few yrs that will warrant him getting 6-7 years to turn into an mvp caliber like Brady.
     
  15. FootballAnalyst98

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    glad your brought up Spencer rattler. Who did he lose his job to? Also it was proof to show that this season wasn’t the only reason to think Caleb Williams was good.

    and I said they were better who was coming out in the next two drafts so why not wait? Every other qb needy team in the nfl did that in this draft as we have evidence in the past of qb needy teams reaching for or trading up for guys they have no business like ej Manuel, Christian ponder, Brandon weeden, etc… no one did for Pickett. It’s a reason why. He literally fell right into the Steelers lap. Normally when does the best qb prospect fall to someone at what pick 20?
     
  16. FootballAnalyst98

    FootballAnalyst98 Well-Known Member

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    Baker is a bust. Murray just tore his acl which may be the end of him but he certainly has been a success this far. It isn’t about just W/L record in the grand scheme. If that were the case you’d hear no one falling Justin Herbert a top 5 qb likes he’s regarded by many but he is because people look at his ability and play on the field.
     
  17. Karl

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    Well, yes it does.
    The strategy for the Steelers as well as any team that would have faced that would be to run blitz the offense into oblivion and force this guy to throw.
    Unless you mean, the Steelers run defense was pathetic, then yes absolutely. The Ravens could have put you in at QB and you'd won.
     
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  18. Formerscribe

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    You brought up reading skills, not me.

    Tom Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback in NFL history, lucked out and wouldn't have gotten a shot in today's NFL. That is your argument. Seriously.

    Now you want to move the goalposts to a prediction that Pickett won't win a Super Bowl any time soon. Way to go out on a limb about the quarterback of a 5-8 football team.
     
  19. Formerscribe

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    Actually, Rattler losing his job was proof that preseason Heisman rankings don't mean much. His poor play in 2021 did that. Your attempt to move the goalposts again doesn't change that.

    Also, in the two recent examples, Brady and Williams each needed something to happen to the guy ahead him to get to start in a given season. If Rattler had played well in 2021, would that mean Williams wasn't that good? (That is the logic that follows what you wrote about Brady, as if Brady is somehow diminished because he got his first chance to start when the guy ahead of him was injured.)

    Waiting because Caleb Wiliams might develop into a better prospect and be available two years later makes no sense, but you keep pushing that silly narrative as if the Steelers would have been guaranteed to get him in two years.

    Just as you keep bringing up guys taken later in the first who failed, I and others keep bringing up quarterbacks taken in the top five who failed, like Darnold or Zach Wilson.

    You don't wait if your guy falls to you, and the Steelers clearly see Pickett as their guy.
     
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  20. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Pickett isn't something special, and part of your argument is you don't think he will win a Super Bowl any time soon. So is it that wins and losses only matter when it suits your argument? It sure seems that way.
     
  21. SteelersFan369

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    Murray is 12-30-1 in his 4th season with a hell of a second contract and you keep talking about potential, but with Pickett, you keep pounding that rookie 'Kenny Bad' drumbeat in your posts.
     
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  22. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    drinking....and now the hangover
     
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  23. santeesteel

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    I can tell you were drinking. I haven't in more than 20 years! No hangover for me!
     
  24. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    The steelers give up like over 30 points against this jaguars team.It was a disgrace.Just to look at their last TD, even me and you would have completed this pass.It was so wide open....It was a terrible coaching team for the steelers but Tomlin fired Haley but not Butler....
     
  25. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Yup. I never understood them not firing Butler after that season and that game.
     
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