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Salary cap imbalance?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel Acorn, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. Steel Acorn

    Steel Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Are the Steelers suffering from dramatic salary imbalance? Having just a few players take up the majority of the payroll leaves little to invest on other positions or quality backups. When the star player gets injured, you are left with a gaping hole that cannot be filled. We might be 4-1 if TJ Watt was healthy, but his big salary left little for Plan B. Is it a better approach to let the big contracts walk, and settle for slightly less star talent, but more talent on the team overall? On defense especially, one or two stars can be avoided or neutralized and the weaknesses in other areas can be exploited. On offense, QB may be an exception, but I am not even sure of that. Pay for a quality O-line and good things likely happen with an above average QB and decent RBs and WRs. Forget the big contracts. One or two injuries, which are bound to happen, and you are doomed.
     
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  2. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    The Rams just won the Super Bowl with an incredibly unbalanced roster, Donald, Stafford, Cupp and Ramsey are earning all the money there.

    There is nothing wrong with paying market leading contracts to great players but obviously if they’re not available to play you’re going to have a big problem.
     
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  3. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    OP, what percentage of the cap does TJ Watt take up?
    What percentage of the cap does the top earner on other top teams take up? Hell, you can even do that exercise with every team.

    You'll likely find most teams suffer from a salary cap imbalance.
    I'll get you started. Both Buffalo and KC spend more on their QB's than we do on Watt, and they're likely the 2 best teams in the league.
    Philly is about the same with AJ Brown

    Without even googling numbers, guys like Joey Bosa, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Khalil Mack, Cooper Kupp, Tyreek Hill, etc. are all likely above or close to TJ Watt. Some of those teams are better than others, but the point still stands, that every team has to pay 1 or more guys a disproportionate amount of the cap. That's just the nature of a star player in a salary cap world.

    We're a better team with TJ Watt than without. It would be a mistake to trade him
     
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  4. SteelerGlenn

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    Id guess most teams are imbalanced in this way.
     
  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Detroit is the Highest paid Offense this Year. They scored 0 points last week.
    They also have the same record We do.
     
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  6. Steel Acorn

    Steel Acorn Well-Known Member

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    OK, so I checked - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/positional/ has some great stats. TJ and Hayward make up almost 20% of the salary cap. That is the main reason the D is the most expensive defense in the league, and probably why the rest of the D is so poor. Other teams also have a good bit of imbalance, and that seems to be more the norm than the exception. But I still think a bit more balance would allow for fewer glaring weaknesses at other positions. Or else you are relying on luck that the top two or three paid players don't get hurt and miss significant time.
     
  7. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Our scouting department has to really get better and soon. They have
    to find players that can transition their skills to the NFL. I see some on our
    depth chart, that just don't add up. It has devastated our season. We need quality depth.
     
  8. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    That’s the nail on the head though: it’s not an imbalance as long as those players are performing.

    Even with a decent balance, someone’s going to step up, play well and want the bigger money.
     
  9. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’ve often thought about the value in terms of wins and losses of having some star players consuming huge portions of the cap and needing to really budget for everyone else vs. having a lot of mid priced talent. It really has to be a case by case basis. TJ’s value to this team is massive. I’ve said before that I think he’s the most valuable non-QB in the league. He literally changes how other teams game plan their offenses, not just in terms of protections, but also in terms of what plays they’ll even attempt in the passing game. Do you think that Josh Allen sits in the pocket last week waiting for those deep routes to open up with TJ in the game? I don’t. It’s not just what TJ does rushing the passer himself, but also the easier 1:1 matchups that he creates for his teammates. In that sense, he’s worth every penny he’s being paid. Cam is a bit tougher case. I think he’s still one of the top 5 interior D linemen in the league, but I also think that Aaron Donald is the only interior D lineman in the NFL who truly dictates what other teams do on offense in terms of protections and run blocking assignments, and that any of the higher priced D linemen after Donald are probably a bit overpaid in terms of cap %.

    Really, I think that the pay scale for superstar players is reasonable for some positions and overdone for others. QB is the most valuable position, and if you have a Super Bowl winning caliber guy you’ve got to pay what it takes to keep him. Next up on my list is edge rusher, followed by left tackle. I think that the current top WR salaries are overblown. WRs absolutely rely on having a QB who can deliver them the ball consistently. I think safeties are undervalued.
     
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  10. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    The top talent will always get paid.

    The issue for the Steelers is the talent evaluation, drafting and development.

    And certain free agents brought in that have not helped the cause. These misses to me are more concerning then paying someone like TJ Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick.

    And this is where this team stands now.
     
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  11. Steel Acorn

    Steel Acorn Well-Known Member

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    I agree wholeheartedly. I guess for the Steelers' case, having two highly paid defenders, both essentially on the D line, creates vast weaknesses in the secondary that can be exploited even when both stars are healthy. When one goes down or sits due to exhaustion, there are many deficiencies to be taken advantage of. I think O-line is the other area where $$$ should be spent, as an O-line that can open holes or give a QB time makes all the other offensive positions much better.
     
  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I would bet money that 1st td pass doesn't happen if Watt is playing.
     
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  13. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    What are your thoughts on Lamar Jackson?
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Dude is one hell of a running back.
     
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  15. SteelHack

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    While in theory that makes sense, I feel the issue is not spending enough on top tier FREE AGENTS and only getting average return on investment

    They love to sign their own but you need to add some top end talent

    2021 FA signed
    Tony Brooks-James
    B.J. Finney
    Malcolm Pridgeon
    Miles Killebrew
    Tyler Simmons
    Chaz Green
    Josh Lambo
    Melvin Ingram
    Trai Turner
    Kalen Ballage
    Arthur Maulet
    Pete Guerriero
    Joe Haeg
    Marcus Baugh

    2022 FA signed
    Ron'Dell Carter
    James Vaughters
    Mitchell Trubisky
    Levi Wallace
    Trenton Scott
    James Daniels
    Damontae Kazee
    Myles Jack
    Mason Cole
    Gunner Olszewski
    Tuzar Skipper

    HACK
     
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  16. SGSteeler

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    This is pretty typical in the NFL. Not many teams truly "spread the money around". Those teams typically don't have a franchise QB (or one on a rookie deal) nor do they have a star pass rusher. Those are the big money positions. We have an elite pass rusher, so we paid him. Simple as that. Most good teams have that imbalance too since the QB is the main position for that. Bills, Chiefs, etc.
     
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  17. SGSteeler

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    This past off season was the first time we really got to spend in FA. Daniels, Jack, and Ogunjobi have been great. Those were the "biggest" additions we made. Trubisky money wise was, but he was always just warming the seat for Pickett. We're gonna have a lot of $$ next offseason too. Gonna have to get it right next season as well. Adding 2-3 really good players and hitting with our first 2 picks next year should be a huge boost for us.
     
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  18. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    So if your Baltimores mgmt team you pay him like a top RB?
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    If I were Baltimore management they wouldn’t be in this situation of having to pay up for a QB with LJ’s limitations running a passing game.

    Thankfully I’m a Steeler fan, and I will absolutely relish the day when the Ravens sign a deal that ties $50+ million per year in cap dollars to LJ.
     
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  20. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I would say Ravens are caught between a rock and a hard place. LOL
     
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  21. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Steelers Mgmt has tried to improve their roster, some are just not panning out.
     
  22. Karl

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    In this game today, you need the talent bar to be higher based on the total roster - you've got to have depth.
    So, yes, you need to hit on those late round picks as they form the core salary base from which to build around - by adding TJ's and more.
    And a good focus on the line of scrimmage is always good - TJ has wrecked some of the best.
     
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  23. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Everything You said here :this!:
     
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  24. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    We will find out at the end of season, Lamar should have taken the money he was offered and ran.
     
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  25. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I'm starting to drink the Koolaid! Site Admin

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    Very unlike him: he passed instead of running!
     
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