Does firing NFL coaches make a difference?

Tomlin trails badly

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Firing NFL head coaches doesn’t make a difference

But hiring one can

 

Yep. 4 playoff games in a row giving up an average of 43 points. Who the hell can win while giving up 43 points per game? Plus, 2 of those teams were hot garbage. We gave up 40+ points to Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield. Baker is probably the worst starting QB in the league and Bortles isn't even in the league anymore.

 

How about using your brain before crying fake news? Think about what bringin a new coaching staff generally entails. New coach wants to run a 4-3 oops we don’t have the players for a 4-3. Let’s wallow in mediocrity for several years trying to rebuild an entire defense. Sweet we finally have a defense again! Oh crap all of our offensive weapons left for greener pastures time to rebuild the offense. Fire the coach! Here we go again

 

Got it. So we should never fire a coach ever again regardless of his results.
Thank god we have the resident genius on this site to correct all of us.

 

Resident genius? Hardly. Just someone that doesn’t like knee jerk reactions and actually looks at the data as opposed to crying fake news and disputing everything

 

Fake news? What are you talking about.
That article isn't fake, but the conclusion it comes to isn't supported by the data.
Data alone can't tell the whole story. You also need to look at why something happened, not just that it happened.
Teams such as Washington or Detroit recycling coaches every year skews the stats the article used.

But regardless of the article, Tomlin has been here for 15 years. Nothing is a knee jerk reaction at this point.
Our last 4 playoff games we've given up an average of 43 points, 2 of which were to garbage QB's.
RB's have been running all over us for years.
We've had no running game for years
Our passing offence has been pretty bad for years now.
We've had numerous OC's. Numerous DC's.
8 different line coaches.
Very little playoff success in a long time

There's no knee jerk at this point

 

The current team is so bad, it will take 2-3 drafts to fix it. So, changing the HC and the entire coaching staff now is the right thing to do as they get 2-3 years to create new stability.

if the current team had way more talent, then changing coaches *may* have delayed the improvement.

‘the worst thing to do is to let tomlin go for another two years, then change him. In that scenario, either the team is improving and HC stability is needed, or the team still sucks and two years got wasted.

 

Are we really lacking talent? We have great playmakers at RB, WR and TE. Our Oline isn't half bad. It's not great at run blocking, but it's not bad either. Plus, how much of that is on Najee and/or the playcalling? Our QB is what it is. He's going to take some time.

Our defence is the highest paid in the league for a reason. Surely you don't pay guys that much that don't have talent.

There's lots of talent on the team. They're just not playing well. When was the last time our defence was good though? Tomlin is a defensive coach and we've sucked for years. In fact, we've mostly sucked since 2009. We've had a couple good years here and there, but even when we're good on paper, we get blown out when it matters, such as Tim Tebow, Bortles or Baker Mayfield.

 

So from 2018, Total Defense
2018: 6th
2019: 5th
2020: 3rd
2021: 21st

Against the run
2018: 6th
2019: 14th
2020: 11th
2021: Last

Against the pass
2018: 10th
2019: 3rd
2020: 3rd
2021: 9

2021 really trips the breaking point for me. We were dead last against the run, and 9th against the pass which is only because no one had to pass.
I don't really see much improvement after moving on from Keith Butler.

 

Deuce is a coward.

 

Is this an in season firing or end of the season firing? In season there are just times that you have to remove someone that is toxic to your team like Jacksonville last season. End of the season it should be an evaluation period. How close is your current coach to having their vision for the team being complete. By year 4 barring catastrophic injury to a key player they should be ready to leap to the 12 win range otherwise change is a possibility that would help. Change for the coach and right for the situation. Change for the sake of Change rarely works.

 

there is no real talent where it matters: OL, MLB, DBs (other than Minkah), and I’d argue WRs/RB are over rated.

What im getting at is change coaches ASAP as it will take 2-3 years of drafting to rebuild anyways.

 

if it's the right coach, sure it would be more stable. starting with the wrong coach and trying to keep a winning team stable should be grounds for looking for the next stable long time coach. is he the right coach? time will tell because i don't think he's going anywhere. omar will have to make his case for a firing along with the other assistants they have hired and put in these front office jobs. there has been quite a turnover in that part of this scenario.

 

I could argue about your message gets old theory simply there is lots of turnover on the team so it’s not necessarily old cause different people are hearing it? This is simple you can’t win without talent we don’t have much ! Everyone to blame for that

 

I think cowher falls in a different category. Though his rein was 15 years...the first decade was with Troy Donohue as GM. There was success, but the ultimate prize was not there. Enter Kevin Colbert and and good things happened.

 

70 is old. The only thing beyond that is old folks home and death. Are you finally old at death?

 

Wow, just wow.

 

knee jerk reactions? this is 5 years in the making, WHERE have you been? you would have been the guy re-arrangning the deck chairs on the titanic...

 

Let’s go ahead and pretend y’all don’t act like this after every single mother loving loss. Is firing the oc, going to miraculously heal all of our defensive starters? What about the DC? The Head Coach? Does firing them prevent Gunner from fumbling punts? Prevent the wide receivers from dropping passes?


I can’t wait for the onslaught of but,but, but and whataboutisms

 

Maybe you could throw in new owners as well and complete the transformation. The HC is the one who sets the culture of a team, not the coordinators. I really don't care who is running the show as long as we are a respected and competitive team challenging for a ring. I think it's fair to say our culture and reputation has not been what it should be for some time now. Still, I will hope we become something this season up until we are mathematically eliminated for post season and/or keep trending like we have the past few games. That I will give MT as he is owed at least that much for now. JMO>

 

It is not the goal of any coach to not win.
I've suffered first-hand some coaches that needed firing.

- Steve Spurrier: Steve and I go way back, but to be sure, He does suck at being an NFL Head Coach. Why? Because he thought he could run an NFL 9-3 and golf a lot. Everything he did screamed of incompetence at the NFL level. He does ok at the college level but the "Old Ball Coach" is no good at the pro-level and should have been fired before his first season started.

- Jim Zorn: Nice guy but a babe in the woods when it came to the Pro Game. Incompetence defined if you watched any Redskins games during his tenure, he had no clue about anything, and it showed. Jim got the Job as they had hired him as OC and Cowher nor anyone else wanted the HC job.

- Chan Gaily - Another clueless hire. Chan was probably better at coordinator where he had no control over players are game plans. His incompetence set the Giants back a decade.

That's the 3 worst that come to my mind, I'm sure there's a couple more. I'd also add that none of those 3 were respected by peers for their coaching abilities.

Mike Tomlin is held in very high regards around the league. EVERY team says about the same; 'It's the Steelers, Tomlin coaches those guys up. You'd better tighten your chinstraps when you play those guys." Or some form of it. I've been right there when they said it.

15+ years is an eternity in the NFL. I don't know what Mike's plans are. I hate the prospect of looking for a new Head Coach and winding up with a clown like the 3 aforementioned, which can happen easily. Tomlin signed a deal to coach through the 2024 season, my gut feeling is that he will do exactly that.@ 52 he can retire or maybe he takes a year off and comes back, or whatever. I am pretty confident a new HC will be on the Pittsburgh sidelines in 2025.

Funny thing, I was there when "The Squire" was talked into hiring a Don Coryell assistant named Joe Gibbs. Gibbs lost the first 5 games and man they were screaming to fire him. lol.... The life of a coach is no fun. Every time you lose 2 games in a row people are firing you.

 

Yeah, you stick with a good coach long enough the team will improve. I never totally saw coach firings solely about the team though, it is also a business decision.

Money talks. You stick with a bad coach long enough the city will revolt. Ticket sales will be down and no one will be buying your s*!t.


I don't really blame Tomlin, we haven't drafted well. Team is missing talent.

 

if Coach Tomlin has his hands on the off and the def he needs to change everything he is doing His stupid Tony Dungy Tampa two is old and not working This always zone stuff is not working. BLITZ every play Tomlin. Just do it.theres risk to the blitz but what do you have to lose< big plays> oh wait, already give those up,Keep Minca back if you want way back

 

nope, but it is a start and it sets a NEW TONE.