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Stop this Tomlin hate! (Here's Comparisons to other active coaches)

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Mashburn, Sep 22, 2022.

  1. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Pete carrol 10-8
    Reid 9-7
    Harbraugh 11-8
    Tomlin 8-9.

    Bro their just similar. Reid is not better.

    So like I said only McVay shows he could be better, and only Bill has proven to be actually better.

    And again we're only talking about a few coaches. About 88% are like these guys. And in fact 50%+ don't even have a post season win. With only 1 actually better.
     
  2. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    So who in the world you want besides Bill bellicheck and McVay? What makes you think we could find someone like Bill? What makes you think we will find someone like bill, instead of the other 90% that are worse than Tomlin?
     
  3. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Your stats are wrong since Andy is 19-16 in his career in the playoffs.He has more playoffs win with the eagles(10 playoffs win) AND the chiefs(9 playoffs win) that Tomlin in 15 years

    Andy Reid Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com
     
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  4. groutbrook

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    I don't like the guy.
     
  5. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Then I stand incorrect. You are correct.

    I wonder why that article got his wrong. I just looked at the others and they're right, but Reid is wrong. Maybe they went off of just the chiefs.

    So now we have only reid and bill as actually being better. And then maybe 4 similar to Tomlin.
    .... still though 80% of coaches are not similar. And 50%+ don't have a post season win.

    So that's why I'm confused too these other people. They act like we have a basic coach. However numbers show he's in the 12% good...... so the odds of finding a better coach are only 10%, while odds to getting a worse coach are 80%.

    So yeah I'll be staying with Tomlin at least 3 more years.
     
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  6. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Just one question...Do you consider Mike McCarthy one of the best head coaches in the NFL?

    He has won over 60% of the regular season game in his career and he has 10 playoffs win

    Mike McCarthy Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com
     
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  7. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin? Why? As I've shown only a couple coaches better. Abs 4 are similar. So the odds finding a better coach are 12%. While the odds finding a worse coach are 88%.
     
  8. groutbrook

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    Winning or losing isn't my problem with Tomlin. I'd gladly take 0-17 coached by anyone else, over him.
     
  9. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, i like Mike. He's close enough to saying he's similar to tomlin. What hurt him wasnt his 7-9, it was that streak of games getting their teeth kicked in. If Tomlin turns into that, then when we know we have a diamond in the rough for a better coach, then take it.
     
  10. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Dang..... may I ask why you hate him that much?
     
  11. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a Tomlin hater, but not a huge fan either. I think the record has a lot to do with having a hall of fame quarterback for the bulk of that time. Sometimes I want him canned, but then think about teams who have been stuck with the likes of O'Brien, Nagy, McCarthy,..etc and kind of come back to my senses. It's not that easy to replace a head coach. You could argue though that despite success sometimes it's just time for a change. Philly didn't win it all until the got rid of Reid, but it took 2 tries and they have since moved on. Honestly they probably just got incredibly lucky with Nick Foles somehow becoming Joe Montana for those playoffs.

    On a side note, why is Belichick's name so hard to spell? I have to look it up virtually every time I go to use it or I'll get it wrong. His name is even an annoying pain in the ass.
     
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  12. mikeyg

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    i'd take a number of others,
    McDermott
    Andy Reid
    maybe: Raiders guy
    maybe San Diego

    maybe many others.

    this line of reason of who is better than Tomlin is as old the STALE Tomlin narrative.

    time to move on.

    check please.
     
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  13. Mashburn

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    Forgot to mention reid was great.

    However the rest are a joke compared to Tomlin. Even 2018+ tomlin....
    - Brandon staley no playoff success
    - mcdaniels at Denver was no playoff success. And with the raiders he's 0-2.


    So you don't want a post season? Is that what you're getting at? Because that's what it looks like.
     
  14. Steel Hog

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    When Tomlin was hired did you call him a "rock solid preplacement"? For me, I never heard of him before then. When Bellicheat was fired by Cleveland and hired by the Pats, was he considered a potential GOAT coach? Not sure any team knows exactly what they're getting when hiring a coach and rely on the hiring process and gut instincts. So, waiting for a sure bet means no one will be replacing MT except someone like Bellicheat then. JMO>
     
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  15. Mashburn

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    I just make up ways to spell his name .

    But yeah when there's only 12% who are similar to Tomlin and 2 that are better. I'm not wanting to gamble on 12% chance to being better vs 88% being worse. And when you're talking almost 60% have no post season wins and majority do not even have a post season, heck no I'll never take that bet.

    And if anyone here says they will then I'll take that bet against them all every day in the stock market or casino or race tracks. I can find things that are 9 too 1 odds.

    Now 2018+ tomlin is still not that bad. He's had 2 of the 4 going into the post season. Which is still more than the other 50% organization coaches out there.
     
  16. Mashburn

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    That's a fair point.
     
  17. groutbrook

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    I don't hate him.
     
  18. groutbrook

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    It's the same fair point that's made every time a tomlin replacement thread pops up.
     
  19. Mashburn

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    Don't speak of it like it's a great Chace of happening though. Again only 12% are similar and only 2 better.

    That's a 9 to 1 odds. 88% it'll be worse, 12% it'll be similar. 6% it'll be better.

    If you're into those bets, I'll meet you at the race track or casino.
     
  20. Steel Hog

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    Fans are passionate and the NFL stands for Not For Long. Going so long without achieving the level of success that the fan base is expecting gets these MT posts. Few have been leading their teams as long as MT has and most of his success was in the first half of his tenure. I've been a Steelers fan since way back but one thing I don't hang my hat on is what we did half a century ago as most people were either not born yet or say its ancient history. I personally think MT has hit his high-water mark and new ideas for this team wouldn't be the worst of ideas. For a coach having what MT has done over the past several years gets people wanting change which is not a bad idea if nothing changes. If you know anything about this organization, these posts mean less than nothing and it's what the Rooney's think/do that only counts. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the show. JMO>
     
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  21. Steel_Elvis

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    I know there’s a subset of fans that think Tomlin is among the worst coaches in the league. All empirical evidence says that he’s among the best. While I have a bit of trouble ranking him near the top, I recognize that replacing him is far more likely than not to result in a degradation of our head coaching capability. The reality is that the majority of new head coaches fail much more spectacularly than Tomlin’s shortcomings. If we go that route we’d better be right. It would be a very risky direction to go.
     
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  22. Mashburn

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    Agreed. I'm giving tomlin 3 more years. He's earned my respect due to his proven record of 15 years.

    Now if he goes to starting next year within 8 Game with a record less than . 250. Then i might say it's time to go.
     
  23. Mashburn

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    I'm right there with you. This is pretty much a 9 to 1 odds. So in 3 years if this continues like 2018+ tomlin, then I'll say it's to go. Or if he starts next season hitting the mid season with a .250 winning, then i might say it's time to go
     
  24. Formerscribe

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    People did complain about Chuck Noll at the end. At the time, he was in the discussion for greatest coach in NFL history. He is easily top five. That said, it was also clear that it was time for him to retire. He was still a decent coach, but it was time for a more modern approach and I think even he knew it was time to move on.

    I took a sports writing class at Pitt in which the teacher brought in people for us to interview. Ralph Cindrich, then one of the league's top agents, was one of them. Then she surprised us by getting Noll to come in. He just seemed so relaxed, as if a massive burden had been lifted.
     
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  25. OB1

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    These comparisons don’t show the full picture as the stats are dependent on players, owners, etc. if tomlin was hired by Cleveland would he be “as good”? If he was at NE, would Brady have 6 SBs?

    I’d say he would have done better than any Cleveland coach, but Brady wouldn’t have 6 SBs - maybe 1.
     

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