WTF was our goal this season

Where does the part of the coaching staff developing these players come in? How much development did our QBs get without a QB coach? I don't know the answer to that and just wondering.

 

I know that hurt as well. Did anyone see how many Eagle players were missing this year when they showed the list during their game. And I thought we were in bad shape. Granted they didn't lose Carson but still lost more players/ starters than we did I think and still made the playoffs. I get it they were in weak division but ours wasn't setting the world on fire either except the Rats.

 

I mean outside of the first (Pats) and last (Ravens) games they were in every game. I thought there were gonna go 3-13 to be honest when they announced Ben was done for the year. It was at least fun to watch games all year (in my opinion.)

 

You're getting confused Darkness, those are 'franchise bums' you're referring to.

 

Part of development is failure and experience. Most young QB’s end up having tough seasons before they are successful (Bradshaw). How long did it take Kurt Warner? It’s true that some can come in and have immediate success, but most struggle and have to take lumps before they figure it out. Lamar Jackson failed last year, Mayfield is struggling in his first two years. Goff looked a bust prior to going to the SB the following year. SD traded Brees to let Rivers play because he struggled.

 

Again, the front office.

 

Although I don't know what that means, I am able to pinpoint when Ben was injured:

 

Then why the hell do they pay franchise QB’s 35 million per year and rising? If you can stick a camp arm rookie in and win the Super Bowl why the f!ck would you pay one guy a sixth of the entire cap? Why? Think about why you are saying, a team doesn’t need a franchise QB, just win with Duck and $1000 signing bonus? For god sake man. Who is in the playoffs with a bum? Brady? Mahomes? Watson? Jackson(MVP)? Allen? Tannehill (was signed to a $26 million contract prior to this)? Garoppolo? Rodgers? Brees? Wentz? Wilson? Cousins? All are paid big and most have a lot of experience with the exception of Jackson and he is the exception to most things.

 

They traded Dobbs after the Pats game. Ben was injured in Game 2. Steelers were also fined for not putting Ben on injury report that week. Everybody in the locker room said they knew Ben was dealing with something that week after the game. That means Ben was either injured entering the season or during Pats game and they traded Dobbs away knowing this.. Why?

 

My point is that the team went that direction, not just Tomlin. If you replace Tomlin, the team still makes that decision.

 

huh?

I'd say there's only one playoff team that would not have been considered their franchise QB before the season started, Tennessee with Tannehill, and they're the sixth seed. Basically without him coming in mid-season and having a heckuva season leading the entirely league with a 117 QB rating they don't make the playoffs. Basically he played like a franchise QB this year and will be paid like one next year. Even Kirk Cousins is a franchise QB. You don't sign a guy to a $84M fully guaranteed deal two years ago if you didn't think he was a franchise QB.

The other playoff QBs are Jackson, Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Wentz, Rodgers, Wilson, Garoppolo, and Brees.

I don't see too many guys I'd consider bums in that group. Josh Allen is the worst of the bunch but because he's young and still developing. No one is considering him a bum imo.

 

A 37 year old overweight QB who doesn't practice is often 'dealing with something'.

 

Ok so why was Dobbs traded again when they knew he was hurt? To give Rudolph an easier path to success and he failed.

 

Gotcha. My point was 'they' wouldn't have traded Dobbs when they did if Ben was hurt prior to the Seahawks game.

 

Oh you mean like the pass the fans give Cowher all the time for not winning a Super Bowl until he got Ben .

 

Dobbs wouldn't have done any better than Rudolph/Duck at QB, he couldn't even get on the field for a losing team like Jacksonville.

 

Prior to the seahawks game Ben wasn't hurt, other than normal wear and tear (which he's dealt with and managed over the last several seasons).

 

I’m pretty sure there isn’t anyone expecting to win a SB with Hodges or Rudolph especially not this season. What does the money have to do with it? Does that make you a franchise QB? Maybe holding a franchise hostage QB. The discussion has been made previously about Allen. Many here saying Buffalo has a QB problem like us. He’s in the playoffs. Tannehill, Cousins no one would have wanted either of those guys here. Bums if you ask almost anyone. Wilson won before he got paid. Wentz, Garappolo they got paid but if they never win a SB are they franchise QBs because they simply got paid? Is Goff a franchise QB? Teams have won SBs in the past without franchise QBs most recently Phi. We’re not even talking SBs,how about making the playoffs? Did they make it last year with a HOF QB? What’s the excuse for that? Didn’t have All Pros at every position?

My whole point is how long does MT get a pass for not having a franchise QB? Would the playoffs be too much to ask next year? Or should we just sign him to a lifetime contract now and hope we find our savior?

 

And you know this how? Oh yeah, you don't.

Wrong. They wouldn't have got fined for not disclosing normal wear and tear. He was hurt entering the season or Pats game.

 

Great point but it won’t resonate on this forum. These are the people that slam Bradshaw for only winning Super Bowls and not running up stats and then slam Tomlin for having a great winning percentage and playoff appearances stats but then complain cause he doesn’t win all the Super Bowls.

 

The better question or perhaps the additional question is does Tomlin and the FO think the 3 qbs that they did have were so fragile ego wise that they couldn't get a veteran to play? I know the cap played into this mess this year as well as availability but if Ben can't go next season and they don't bring in a vet with at least a season or 2 under his belt that should say we don't won't Ben to worry about his job or stunt the growth of MR. Heck at this point Sam Bradford could have qb'd this team to a win or two and he was on his couch.

 

Why the hell don’t you go buy a Browns shirt? They change coaches every year if they fail. Go ahead and fire up the coaching carousel like all the other teams that haven’t won anything. Are you old enough to remember when the Ravens missed the playoffs several times and ole John was on the brink??? Remember??? So fast forward to franchise QB and boooom! A likely SB appearance and being considered for Coach of the year. Wholly ****!! But if it were you, you would have fired him and changed coaches every year. You have to snap out of it.

 

I guess my idea of a franchise QB is different. To me a franchise QB is someone’s who you build a team around not based on paying him a exorbitant amount of money. Many there said Allen was a problem and not that good. If you would of asked anyone if they wanted Tannehill the answer would of been no he’s a bum. If we had signed Cousins to that deal and got that production here would we be happy and saying he’s a franchise QB? Maybe our definitions are different. When I see a franchise QB he’s at least shown glimpses of being one before he got paid not because he got paid. Again my point is how long does MT get and why is it so preposterous to so many that he doesn’t deserve to stay forever? Does his seat at least get moderately warm if we miss the playoffs next year? Or is none of this his fault.

 

Please don’t pull that fandom BS. I’m asked the question how long does he get? Until he says it’s time? You guys act like he’s been here a minute. How dare anyone question his coaching ability 11 years removed from his last SB and a boatload of disappointing and underachieving . There are just as many FANS if not more that have the same questions and concerns but I guess because you happen to be on the other side that makes you a true fan....please.

 

It's not that cut and dry. The Steelers appealed that fine, and for good reason. Look into it.