Worst-case scenario - COTY and extension

Dobbs didn't play well as a Steelers QB. He had one great throw vs. Ravens on 3rd and long. He stunk up the joint vs. Raiders during the same season... when we lost to Mike Glennon again.

 

The defense needs long-term work, too. They still need another corner and the defensive line still needs help, especially because they can't really count on Heyward much longer.

The offense has some nice pieces, but yeah, Pickett needs to get better or to be replaced and Canada needs to go.

 

What part of that are you questioning? I certainly wish we had seen that version of him years ago against the Raiders. I think Dobbs has finally figured out how to apply his intelligence on the field.

 

That's a good question. Perhaps if we look at it in reverse. What would "losing games they shouldn't" mean? I know I've heard that term around here aplenty.

It obviously means, that given the surplus of "talent"(players& coaches), in relation to the teams they've been playing, the expectation is that they should be winning many of the games that they are losing, to inferior talent(players & coaches).

So, the opposite is obvious.

Now, the draft, and the acquisition of FA's this off season, was roundly considered to be very successful. Not too many people were complaining. And they turned over a ****load of players. The draft was given an A+, deservedly.

So, there was lots of optimism going into the season. And hey, we're 5-3, in probably the toughest division in football.

So, given all of that, why are so many people pissed/disenfranchised/fed up?

Were you ever disappointed when you learned how a magic trick was done? When you learned that a trick that once amazed you, was achieved with a gum band up the guys sleeve?

What are you talking about Jball?

Isn't it obvious? In an extremely QB driven league, to be burdened with a truly mediocre Qb, as our increasingly narrowing window of living decreases, isn't something that I will suffer with a smile.

To me, it's obvious, that KFP isn't the guy to take us to the promised land.

And, I'm sorry, smiling through a season that includes, at best, a Wildcard Weekend pummeling, doesn't interest me at all at this point.

On Matt Williamson's(an NFL scout) podcast, this morning, he pointed out how Kenny, compared to the other young QB's, just doesn't add up. He just doesn't have the arm talent to overcome his, and the teams, deficiencies.

To a lot of us, KFP's shortcomings were apparent before the draft. His draft was considered maybe the worst Qb draft of all time. Yet, KFP, who was ranked right among his fellow draft class, was taken two full rounds until the next QB. Which, has never happened as fas as I am aware. But, we're supposed to just believe, with almost zero evidence, that the Steelers used that first rd pick wisely. That everybody else got it wrong. That nobody else could've used a QB until the 3rd rd that year.

I'd GLADLY be wrong! But, I don't think that I am.

I didn't expect the next guy we picked to be THE guy for the next 15 years, but I also don't want to wait 5-7 years to know something that already seems obvious to me/many people. And I know that's what we're in for. It's a f***ing nightmare.

 

You might be right about Pickett, but basing his value on that of the other quarterbacks in his draft class remains one of the more ridiculous arguments I've read on this board.

 

It's not about winning games and non-losing seasons. It's about winning Super Bowl's. Mike Tomlin has coached 3 playoff wins in the last 12 NFL seasons. That is a hall of fame career for some players in terms of longevity. And he has produced 3 playoff wins. One win that should have been a loss if two morons (Pacman/Burfect) don't go AWOL in the end. The other wins were against Matt Moore and Alex Smith led teams in Miami and Kansas City. That's it. Terrible losses to horrid QB's (Bortles/Tebow) and royal ass kickings by the elite QBs Tom Brady and (No neck)Peyton Manning.

For the majority of those runs, he had a Top 5 QB and the best running back in the NFL for 3 years and the best receiver in the NFL for 5 years in a league where offense took over as the dominate source of winning.

Steelers should trade Tomlin and get a Giant package FROM the Giants. And the Steelers should go get Lincoln Riley. Steelers need an innovator who's coaching and program works perfect with today's NFL. Like Siriani, McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan. It's time. Mike Tomlin has been here long enough. His **** doesn't work in terms of winning playoff games and even getting close to Super Bowl's.

 

At least Lincoln Riley will fire a coordinator mid-season, but other than that, I'm not sure anything he is doing this season should impress anyone.

What makes you think the Giants are going to give some huge return for Tomlin?

 

Focus on the point, numbnuts. I just gave suggestions.

 

Lincoln Riley has trouble winning with the best QB in college football.

 

let me make sure I understand what you’re proposing. You want to take an average to above average team(wait until season is over) and blow it up. Trade away all good and or great players for draft picks. Hoping that every pick is better than what you let go. Makes total sense if you’re playing freaking madden

 

In fact, either go all-in or blow it up.....When it's been 5 years we're in the middle, we need to make some major change since whatever they're doing isn't working!

If the Steelers realize that Pickett is not the answer after this year, it will help but unfortunately I think the Steelers will be too slow on this like they were with Canada and it will waste another year of Watt's dominance and it will be too late at some point

 

So you would rather become the browns, lions,jets…

 

It doesn't take like 20 years or more if the front office is good....Maybe a fire sale is not the answer but at some point they need to do something so that we are not longer stuck in the middle

But the sooner they realize that Pickett is not the answer, the better will be for the steelers

 

If you take a look back at the last 10 years, Making it to the Super Bowl has not been accomplished by completely rebuilding through the draft or Coaching Changes. The keys have been finding that Franchise QB, adding a few key players in the draft, but the biggest increase in teams getting to the BIG GAME is through FREE AGENCY

PLAYOFF APPEARANCES THE LAST 10 YEARS
Dolphins-2
Jets-0
Bills-4
Patriots-8
Ravens-5
Steelers-6
Browns-1
Bengals-5
Jags-2
Texans-4
Colts-3
Titans-4
Chiefs-9
Raiders-2
Chargers-3
Broncos-3

PLAYOFF APPEARANCES THE LAST 5 YEARS
Dolphins-1
Jets-0
Bills-4
Patriots-3
Ravens-4
Steelers-2
Browns-1
Bengals-2
Jags-1
Texans-2
Colts-2
Titans-3
Chiefs-5
Raiders-1
Chargers-1
Broncos-0

Only teams that really stand out and show a major improvement over the last 5 years is Chiefs, Ravens and Bills...Those 3 teams are the Teams that have found there QB of the future. Yeah the Jaqs and Bengals may be on the up because they seem to have found their QB of the Future, But NONE of these teams have went through a complete rebuild through the draft. They have found a few key players and the rest have been through FREE AGENCY.

Another Side Note, There has only been 4 of these teams to go to Super Bowl in the last 10 years. Patriots, Chiefs, Broncos and Bengals..Only ONE of those teams has had of a New Head Coach and that's the Bengals

 

What you’re proposing is how you become a bottom of the barrel team.

As it stands I don’t think picket is the answer either. I hoped he would make a significant leap in year two, but it hasn’t happened. There have been other issues with the offense so he is not solely to blame for their struggles. However, he has contributed more than his fair share. The fourth quarter comebacks are great, but they don’t negate 3 quarters of predominantly crap play every game.

I listened to an interview with mark Schlereth(so?)last week. In it he talked a little about the Steelers, but what caught my ear was what he learned from shanahan. Basically it takes two full seasons for a qb and oc/coach to really get on the same page. With that in mind I would be shocked if the Steelers move on from picket or Canada before the end of next season.

 

I have been one of the biggest critics of MT and his coaching staff in recent years and I am having a difficult time finding fault in a 5-3 season with 2nd place and a current playoff position on the line.

 

I feel bad that TJ will never win a superbowl with the Steelers

 

Not questioning Dobbs actually, I was posting his praise for MT since this is essentially a bash Tomlin thread. I wish the guy the best. He was IMO a Charlie Batch type QB - a suitable back but not necessarily your first pick as the #1 but with some good showing in AZ in spite of their horrid record and then pulling out the game yesterday maybe he'll finally get some traction. He has some decent receivers in Minn too.

 

We are 5-3 and in second place and some of you people act like we’re 0-8 but then again it’s probably what you hope for so that can they draft that elusive #1 overall sure thing draft pick. But if it wasn’t “your guy” then you would be certain to whine about him all career long as well.

 

MT apologist

Homer

What’s wrong with you and this common sense and logic

You must be satisfied with mediocrity

 

1st we never had the best Rb in the league.
2nd. How many SBs have those guys won???

 

He's been in the league for quite awhile, and that is only His 2nd win after playing in 17 games, and starting in 11. How is that great. Tell Me what He does in a few more weeks. He won a game against Dallas when He 1st went to Arizona, and then lost all the rest. That tells Me the teams in both games weren't preparing for Him. 2 wins in 17 games, and 11 starts is not very impressive.

 

L. Riley = terrible Defense anywhere He goes.

 

Move the team in the middle of the night to a new city.

 

Bell was absolutely the best RB in the league