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Will Steelers give AB a 4 million raise?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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  2. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    I hope, AB stays a Steeler a long time. Top 5 WR for sure, and to me he is the best in the game.
    Best guy in the NFL with a ball in his hands.
     
  3. 58stillers

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    Certainly hope they don't take the advice of a Former Redskins Salary Cap expert....... Don't know him, but I can't believe any former Redskins personnel as very intelligent....:roflmao:
     
  4. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    No, they won't be giving him a raise. It sets an awful precedent and will only cause issues in the future with other players.
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Ha! While I don't see this scenario happening, I've followed Jimmy for a long time. He's a cap expert for sure.
     
  6. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    I agree, which means diddly squat. What does count, is that this is what the Steelers MO is.
     
  7. Diamond

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    If you sign a contract that made you a millionaire, you should honor it's terms until it expires, the steelers dont owe him more than the terms of his contract, play out your deal AB and then start your complaining for more money, till then, shut your trap and play ball....
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He's actually never said one word about it and has reported to camp. The article was a bloggers opinion on how to give him a raise without renegotiating his contract.
     
  9. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    So do you feel the same in regard to teams that cut players before the end of their contracts?

    According to the market AB has out performed his contract. It's understandable that he should expect a raise.

    Seems like a double standard by teams and fans. It's unfortunate for players that the teams generally hold most of the cards in these situations. It's one reason why players should get as much money as they can.
     
  10. 58stillers

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    YES, I agree with Diamond and cutting players before their contract is up..... Many if not most of those contracts include GUARANTEED money that never needs to be paid back, even when they under perform or never perform. It's part of the business. We can argue until we are blue in the face about AB outperforming or underperforming in his contract, the bottom line is that it was a fair deal when he signed it..... why has it become "unfair"? Because they expect him to perform up to expectations until the contract is within a year of expiration? In his first two years, he showed promise that he could be a good player and the steelers rewarded him hugely before he was a star. So in my mind he's had a couple years of underperforming and a couple years of meeting expectations..... so as far as I'm concerned, it's a wash.

    Just because XYZ player signs a contract 2 years after you, and statistically, you outperform him.... doesn't mean you should have the right to renegotiate your contract to always be the highest paid player.
     
  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    instead of signing guys to huge contracts next year, maybe they should base the next year guy on say AB's remaining contract if he was the best wr the year before and it would eliminate a lot of this.

    say AB was the best wr last year and has X amount of dollars left for 3 more years and joe blow should only be signed for no more money than AB would receive in his last 3 years and if joe blow signs a 5 year deal than in his last two years over and above AB's contract is where the higher pay comes in, if he preforms at a top 10 level. it would keep guys striving for that higher level and not underperforming or expecting a "bigger than his contract". it would also keep guys like AB wanting to preform and get a better deal when his time is up. these teams throwing stupid money at players and those players never seeing the end of there deals may go away.:cool:
     
  12. WinTheNorth

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    Or do incentive based contracts. I know this means players take on a lot more risk but it feels like a fairer system... pay for performance. the base salaries can still be attractive based on past performance
     
  13. BURGH43STEL

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    It isn't even debatable that Brown is outperforming his contract. Brown is playing better than expectations. He lead the league in receptions, yards, and had 13 TD's (tied for 2nd). He's not being paid like a top 5 WR.

    It's really not a wash. Brown was paid like a late round draft pick coming into the league. He out produced that contract and played better than expectations in only his 2nd season.

    Brown has a limited time in the amount of money he can make. If he is lucky he might have the opportunity to receive another big money deal after this contract expires. It's understandable if he would expect a raise or bonus of some type. I doubt it will happen but anyone can't blame him based on his performance.
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    what were his expectations? he had two TD's after his second year total. 8 after 3 years. heck by that logic bryant should get a new deal this year too. he had 8 in his first year.:cool:
     
  15. biggbunch68

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    Brown posted a couple of weeks ago, , ,that he was content making with what he makes now , and he knows the Steelers will ,pay him what he is worth when itsd time to resign................... S o for all those fans on here that was talking trash about him , when the rumors came out a month or so ago , , ,and saying cut him ,him and all kinds of nonsence... , Shame on you. , . yall ,really need to pick ,a side... , lol
     
  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    This conversation didn't make any sense a few weeks ago. It's not getting an better.
     
  17. BURGH43STEL

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    Common sense, Brown wasn't expected to produce the way he did/has based on where he was drafted. TD's are not the only measure of a WR. There were other statistics, qualities, and factors the Steelers used to evaluate Brown.

    Common sense, if I you were in Brown's shoes I'd expect a raise too. I am certain many of you would if you were in his position.

    After all that we don't even know if Brown wants a raise. I wouldn't blame him if he did.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    There's no side to pick. People were saying IF he holds out, he should be cut. And if he came out tomorrow and said he is holding out, I would say screw him and don't pay him a dime extra. For some reason you were never able to follow that hypothetical.
     
  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Hell no, it sets a bad precedent.
     
  20. biggbunch68

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    Well ,I dont live in a hypothetical world.. and there is always a side to pick , :lolol:
     
  21. mac daddyo

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    then his agent should have gotten him a better incentive laden contract, or he shouldn't have signed the one he did. scores do matter. he signed a pretty nice contract at the time. just because you do your job at a high level doesn't mean you should expect more than you signed up for. that's what you signed up to do, is the best job you could. that's how business works. why would an owner want a guy to do just enough? why would a player want to do just enough? that's as common of sense as there is. if I don't do my job to the best of my ability they will find someone who will.:cool:
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Youve partaken in hundreds of hypothetical discussions in your lifetime, many on this very board :thumbs_up:
     
  23. 58stillers

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    :this!:
    This
     
  24. Diamond

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    No one is trashing him, just talking about playing out the big contract he signed: Look who his agent is, Drew Rosenhaus, he is always telling his clients they are being under paid, who can forget the circus he caused with TO, AB is content with his deal, but if he listens to Rosenhaus he will always have his doubts about his real market value and end up like mike wallace out the door....By the way give Ben some credit for ABs success, how would AB have done if he was drafted by the jets and he had gino smith throwing the ball to him????
     

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