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Why didn't TJ get the sack at 13:44 in the second?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Brice, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. Brice

    Brice Well-Known Member

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    He gets a tackle for a 2 yard loss, but not a sack.

    To me it looked like Tyler still was going to throw the ball before hitting the line of scrimmage, after he faked the handoff and TJ just caught him from behind. Murry is still inside the poscket and can throw the ball downfield, so why not a sack?
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  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I thought that was a sack, too, but I guess the official scorer thought it was a running play.
     
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  3. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I guess they ruled that it was a designed QB run and not a pass play.
     
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  4. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    I also thought it should have been a sack. My wife asked why it wasn't and I didn't have a good answer for her. Maybe the Steelers will lobby for a stat correction.
     
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  5. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure that's it. But Murray still has the ability to throw. I dont like that call at all.
     
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  6. SteelinOhio

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    Yeah, my son and I were talking about that when it happened. Because it was considered a run at that point.
     
  7. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I think anytime the QB is tackled behind the line of scrimmage it should be a sack because the QB always has the option to throw the ball.
     
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  8. Steelrules

    Steelrules Well-Known Member

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  9. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton Well-Known Member

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    Who exactly rules on that? The refs or the score keeper?
     
  10. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I would guess that there is an official score keeper.
     
  11. Arch Stanton

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    How would a score keeper, or even a ref know for sure if it was originally designed as a passing or running play? That's something I don't understand? Bottom line, if a QB gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage, it should be a sack
     
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  12. Brice

    Brice Well-Known Member

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    AND IN THE POCKET!!!

    That is my biggest complaint. As long as a QB is in the pocket he is protected by all these QB rules, once he goes wide and gets outside the pocket he then becomes a runner.

    TJ sacked him inside the pocket 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
     
  13. OB1

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    They also. stole a sack from him during the year when he tied the nfl record.

    the league doesn’t want any Steeler getting that record.
     
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  14. Arch Stanton

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    Sometimes I feel like there's a conspiracy against the Steelers. Seems like we're scripted to go 9-8 for all of eternity, and never allow the greatest defensive player in the NFL to have any glory
     
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  15. Ender

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    I don’t know the answer, but I think they could probably determine that by how the lineman behaved I guess. If they’re setting for pass pro or if they’re firing off to reach the second level I mean.

    Both announcers seemed to immediately call it a TFL instead of a sack.

    Just a guess because I immediately thought it was a sack too.

    :shrug:
     
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  16. Steelhammer92

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    i watch a good amount of browns games being local. Garrett's a hell of a player, no question.. one of the best pass rushers all-time.. but i've seen a number of games where he is completely invisible. we've seen it a few times now when facing the steelers alone. to his credit, i know teams gameplan specifically to take him out of the game, leaving room for other players to pick up the slack.. but they do the same to Watt and i don't know that i've ever seen a healthy Watt disappear in a game. he just always finds a way to get to disrupt the QB and wreak havoc. he can pass rush, play the run, pass defend, strip sack ability is second to none.. he's the best defender in the game. Garrett is pretty much a one trick pony.
     
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  17. Arch Stanton

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    How would they know if it was a designed running play for that matter? It could've been a broken pass play. Only the Cards would know for sure, that's why the process of a scorer ruling on it makes no sense
     
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  18. oldschool

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    EXACTLY! In this modern era of read option QB’s who knows and who’s to say?

    This same BS nonsense rule is why TJ is not the sole ownership of the sack record too. They took his last sack away for that 2 seasons ago.
     
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  19. Lizard72

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    What's funny is every time he does what Watt does routinely, he gets this HoF talk about him being the best to ever do it!
     
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  20. Ender

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    I think that people at the game or watching the all-22 film would be able to determine whether or not the offensive line was in pass pro (standing straight up or moving backwards) or if they were firing off the line is what I mean.

    If the lineman are all three yards downfield then it would have to be a designed run or else they’d get called for “illegal man downfield”.

    Again I don’t know that because on TV I couldn’t see the full movement of the O-line, but based on how quickly the announcers called it a tackle for loss I’m just assuming the line was run blocking that’s all.
     
  21. Ender

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    It’s disgusting how much the media slobbers over that guy. He could have maimed or even killed Mason Rudolph and done irreparable harm to the league's image yet they continuously talk him up. I don’t get it.
     
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  22. groutbrook

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    Myles Garrett is a scumbag.

    Whenever I type M-y-l my phone autofills the rest.
    :drinks:
     
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  23. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I don't often drink...but I'm starting to. Site Admin

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    It was a designed run play (although maybe not with Murray as ball carrier). O-line is pushing guys forward and definitely NOT forming a pocket around Murray.
     

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