Why can't we get top WR's like this?

Juju was better with Roethlisberger than Mahomes. I guess having Ben at QB and AB at other WR was a big help. I think Tyreek Hill was gone by the time Juju arrived at Chiefs.

 

JuJu was half of what he was by the time he got to Mahomes

 

Smith-Schuster did a lot of good community things when he was here as well.

 

On the field, Pickens was very effective despite quarterback play that was inconsistent at best. I can give you examples that don't fit your argument, going back to John Stallworth having the best seasons of his career with a collection of scrubs throwing to him in 1984 and '85.

 

They had quite a few musicians play various roles on that show. Roland Gift had a recurring role as the villain Xavier St. Cloud. Even Joan Jett had a one-off appearance as an immortal.

 

Of course You can, outliers. The definition is in the name.

 

I know He did. Matter of fact I just started watching the Highlander series again last week, because during the original showing We didn't have DVR, and so I have missed many an episode during that time, so I decided to rematch it all from the beginning.

 

They aren't outliers. Elite receivers will be great no matter who throws them the ball and they will rise to a higher level with a star. Antonio Brown had Roethlisberger, but he also ascended far higher than any other receiver he played with in his career. Hines Ward put up the best numbers of his career before Roethlisberger arrived. Randy Moss even made Daunte Culpepper look good. Terrell Owens did the same for Jeff Garcia. These are just a few examples among many.

 

But it Still wouldn't change the fact that they all had their best years with him, and not without him. Hell do people forget when Plax left the .....what will we do now crap, and yet as long as Ben was our Qb we had someone to step up, without having to go pay big money to an outside free agent. From Plax, and Ward to, Wallace, to Ab, to Claypool, to, DJ.......Now we have to go out, and pay big money to someone else's draft pick like DK M.....when did we have to do that with Ben??

 

Outliers.
1st: Even though Ward played a big amount of time with Ben after He was already in the league for 7 years, and therefore older, He still had more tds with Ben, and a better catch rate with Ben.
2nd: AB never had the numbers He had with Ben, and don't say well He was older, because He wasn't that much older than when Ben got Ward.
3rd: So that's two from Your list that You can scratch off.
4th: So that leaves 2 on Your list out of what......millions of Wr....therefore....outliers. Thank You for proving my point. Because I never once said their aren't Wrs that are great without great Qb, I said most.....Hell Mike Evans is a prime example of an outlier.. He has been pretty great no matter who the Qb is.

 

Do You not see a contradiction in what You said.

 

What it did is showed that Bradshaw was as much a product of Swann and Stallworth as they were a product of him. The same is true of Roethlisberger and Brown. Roethlisberger had his most productive seasons as a passer with Brown.

 

Come on. Brown lost his mind by the time he had to play without Roethlisberger. You know this. Ward still had his best numbers without Roethlisberger, no matter how much you try to drag out one or two measures to try to muddy the waters. So no, it is not accurate at all to scratch Ward and Brown off my list. As I already mentioned, Brown brought out the best in Roethlisberger more than the other way around. We never got to see Brown in his prime without Roethlisberger.

That wasn't a comprehensive list. Those were just a few examples off the top of my head, and there are more in this discussion such as Stallworth.

 

No. Doormat franchises are "one and done, 10 win teams" like Steelers all the way down to the perennial bottom feeders like Jax, CLE, TEN, CAR, etc.

 

Ward put up good numbers with Stewart and Maddox. Having Burress and Randle El as teammates helped his cause.

 

I maybe wrong, but since I never said Bradshaw, and I said Ben, are You again moving something???
Yeah Ben never had any good years with AB. LoL
We do actually know this....AB didn't have any good Years without Ben, and if You want to bring up that little SB that AB won without Ben, Ben won two without AB. So........,but You can argue just to argue, and bring up more outliers, You , and I know even if You can make a list of 50 in the history of the NFL they would still be outliers compared with the millions of Wrs that have played, You do Know that there will be 4 to 5 Wrs on all 32 teams this year....so do the math, but You love to argue, whether You are correct, or not, so I expect a million more replies, and goal post moving.

 

He did, but even after already playing 6 years without Ben, which would have slowed Him down a bit, He still Had more TDs with Ben, and a better catch rate, with Ben.

 

Emmanuel Sanders is the only prominent Steelers WR to go on and have success with other franchises apart from Roethlisberger. Sanders = outlier

 

I never argued that Roethlisberger wasn't good before Brown. I'm arguing that he was his best with Brown. I never even mentioned Super Bowls because those are team accomplishments.

We know that Brown lost his mind at the end of his career with the Steelers, so using him in that way is intentionally misleading. You know this.

Please don't derail this with personal attacks. What do you have other than individual cases? Aren't Hall of Fame quarterbacks outliers?

 

AB got Wallace's money. Steelers tried to sign Wallace to a second contract and he went elsewhere for a bigger contract.

 

Hines Ward was still great with Maddox or Kordell.

Of course, your efficiency and some other stats have a very good chance of being better with a very good QB, but it's the same for other positions... Averages,good or great players become even better when you play with great players and with good coaching, you can't be negative about them.

Antonio Brown was by far the best receiver Roethlisberger had in his career.

 

Paranoid much, You are the only people on this whole site that will jump into a conversation thinking people are talking about You....these are fact, not personal attacks. That would be like saying.....STD plays guitar....that's stating facts , not attacks.
Facts, not personal attack, You will argue even when You know You are wrong, instead of saying....hmm, I might be wrong. Your ego will not allow it. Facts.

 

You were responding to my post, so that was the logical conclusion. Come on, STD. You know better.

 

I never questioned that, so....
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I never once said Ab wasn't the best Wrs Ben ever had, but I dang well know what AB, even on this team looked like without Ben playing. You people are arguing maybe, I'm just saying what is. Maybe AB would have been great without Ben.....what was actually.....AB was not great without Ben.
Now like I said of outliers ....Mike Evans has been great with any Qb He has played with.