Who is the #3 WR?

don't forget our increased usage of #26 as a receiver. splitting him out is becoming a favorite of the offense.

 

Eli is exactly the right guy to reach block,or run our zone blocking for runs and will fit very nice on bubble screens ..Not only is he the better blocker from the slot than Wheaton and Coates he is also a bigger threat to run the tunnel screen from that same look, and the single swing screen as well as the other routes that you mentioned ...Coach T Loves the more you can do types,as such Rogers will play in the slot early and often..You can bank on it...

I didn't break out the calculator and figure the exact percentage, but 66 to 80 % seems just about right to me...

 

Actually a slot WR is very easy to gage ... All you need is some tape vs. different looks and different schemes ...If the slot guy can find the dead spots , knows how to set up his routes,doesn't run routes that bring defenders to primary routes then you know this slot WR has a very high Football IQ ...I have watched Wheaton post up in double coverage a lot and I have also watched him run the wrong routes and bring his Defender towards other primary routes ...This is why he will be and is better outside ....I have not saw Eli do either of these in College or as a pro he has had plenty of chances to get fooled by the D and not know what the other WR'S are doing around him it simply doesn't happen...Again high Football IQ as a slot WR...Can he call line protections ? Probably not but he is a stud in the slot...

 

Your posts consistently represent as someone who will just say stuff

 

Blast vs PWP has me like...

 

So you expect both DHB and Coates to basically only see the field in 4 WR sets? They'll move Wheaton to the slot some and put Coates and DHB outside... Coates can be explosive. They won't leave him on the bench that much.

I like what I've seen in Rogers, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where he plays 80 percent of our offensive snaps that have more than 2 WR's

 

Not 80% of all multiple WR sets just 80% of true slot formations. I think when we go bunch or twin/twin or 3 by 1 or even slot nasty is when you will see Coates and DHB more ..I also expect Wheaton and DHB to get very little work in the slot....Anyway here is a nice article I just found with some gifts it explains the slot WR in more detail and shows you the 1 thing all slot WR'S must have no matter their size or speed or whatever and that is Football IQ..https://theringer.com/slot-receiver...rald-doug-baldwin-nfl-dc6befb3c82d#.uweloy162

As I stated above Rogers looks the best above the neck compared to our other WR'S not named AB of course...

 

I hope all post are from everyone,, represent people who will say stuff ? Is this not a message board ? Are the messages not from people ? Please explain to me what a message board is for I have missed the point..

 

I believe he is saying that your talking out your backside PWP.

 

Off the top of my head , yes I was , did I crunch the #'s on those predicted stats ? Nope ? Do I still believe Eli will be the most used WR in true slot formations ?Yes...

 

Just saying stuff... like :
"Eli is exactly the right guy to reach block,or run our zone blocking for runs and will fit very nice on bubble screens ."
and then:
"Not 80% of all multiple WR sets just 80% of true slot formations. I think when we go bunch or twin/twin or 3 by 1 or even slot nasty is when you will see Coates and DHB more .."

These are essentially contradictory statements... which happens when you talk out of your arse.

 

This could be the start of something beautiful.

 

They are not from my standpoint ..I have argued that Eli will be the starter in the slot ,I also stated he would get the vast majority of the snaps when we run a true slot formation..All 3 WR sets are not slot formations ,but if we run 30 true slot formations I am saying Eli will be the guy in the slot most of the time ...I have never said a single thing different ...I have always stated that Eli is better than Wheaton in the slot and I have always stated he will all but replace him as the slot WR .....

So let me just ask you what you believe and you can even use your calculator if you want ....If we run 30 true slot formations week 1 how many snaps do you think Eli will be the slot WR ? And so we are on the same page when I say slot I mean 3 WR'S 1 TE and 1 RB sets ....The 2 WR'S are split wide opposite of each other and the slot is inside of 1 of those guys ...I don't count nasty slot as that is a twins look , i don't count 4 WR sets as that is a double slot look ...I don't count the bunch as it is a trips tight look...I don't count a 2 TE set because to get a slot WR it must be a empty look ....I am sure I am missing some , but you get the point only 3 WR'S 1 TE and 1 RB is a true slot formation ....Again how many snaps do you think Rogers gets if we run that set 30 times ?

 

What reason do you have to exclude Eli from bunch formations if you think he's better executing a reach block than Wheaton/Coates? That simply makes no sense. The only reason to remove a good slot reciever from a bunch formation is because you want to execute RPO and feel you have better blockers among your WR core.

When i say that you just "say stuff", it's because your musings generally don't make football sense.

I already told you what I believed, you disagreed (hint: it's the post regarding when I thought Eli would play and when he wouldn't).

Sorry I can't give you a nonsensical calculation because I understand that gameplans are designed on an opponent basis. I'm not going to pull random numbers out of thin air.

Eli Rogers is going to play
Eli Rogers is going to play a lot in the slot

Understanding how Eli will be used, and more importantly, how our WR core will be used is a far more useful debate. But you seem more interested in creating a narrative that you can point back and say "ah ha i was right!". I find that approach even less useful than your rando snap predictions

 

Reach blocking from a true slot position is much different than from a Bunch ..Most D's use LB'S or SS types in the box against bunch sets ..This would mean having your smaller guy trying to block much bigger guys ..Not so good from my limited Football knowledge ..The smart play would be to let him be the pass catcher and use the bigger WR'S as blockers, I guess that doesn't make good Football sense to you either ?

Blocking from a true slot position is exactly what he can do well...Use his speed and momentum to crack down or peel back block .Most of the time against weak side LB'S or FS type Safeties ...This cuts down on the size advantage and fits what a true slot WR is good at ....

As far as not putting a # on it then i guess you are scared to be wrong ..I put it in straight terms described the true slot set and gave you a prediction on the # of snaps from that set ..If your such a guru at Football and I am so dumb then why not just put me in my place and tell me how many snaps he will get ?

Another point is our game plans are not really based on opponents.. This is from Coach T and Coach Haley they both state we do what we do and don't really worry so much about what the other Team likes to do ...So looking at that fact and adding in the fact we are much weaker at TE than we used to be , we will use a true slot formation much more than in the past and the guy that will be in that formation will be Eli Rogers most of the time...

Eli is a slot WR not a outside WR do you understand they are different ?

 

No, it's not. You're mistakenly applying the blocking assingment of OL and TE to a WR

A reach block does not entail cracking down or peeling back.

But I do find it hilarious that you think Eli can reach block Wills and Frees, but not SAMs and Strongs.

I guess they'll have to replace Eli in the slot if the opponents will is of the bigger variety

There's a difference between desperately wanting to be randomly right, and being intelligent enough to discuss football.

And no, you didn't put it in strait terms. You randomly arrived at 2 completely different terms and didn't even realize it.

You've already been put in your place.

This is easily the single dumbest thing you've said so far.

This is the same coach speak you hear from every coach, in every sport. The steelers put a game plan together every week based on the opponent.

Looking forward to you keeping track of slot specific metrics on this

Asking that question makes clear that you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

 

My my such fighting talk over the number 3....


I guess we will find out the conclusion come tomorrow.

 

I have a huge man crush on you right now.

 

As I am sure you would , you didn't think DHB would even make the cut, then he not only made the Team they gave him an extension..Then you stated Eli was light years behind Wheaton and had a chance to even make the roster ..I stated DHB would make it and he had found a home here ..Then I stated not only would Eli make the roster he would win the starting role as the slot WR ...Your partner in crime was of the same thinking i believe...Now you guys can hold hands and watch DHB finish his career and watch Eli start his,,, while you enjoy your crush.....

 

I hope we can disagree about football more/soon. It would be a more productive debate.

Cheers

 

I changed my mind ....After getting properly informed from the Steelers message board I now see the error in my ways ....DHB will start at A,E,I,O,U, and sometimes Y .... Eli will be the X caliber force for the Z nation...

 

Eli is our best option in the slot. As Haley said he is a true slot WR. You have the coach saying the same thing PWP is saying. The slot is a totally different animal and not everyone can step in the slot and play it. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Coates been lining up pretty much on the outside lately? Rogers is who they rolled out with the starters in the third preseason game meaning he is the starting slot WR as of right now. Sorry but he runs better routes than Coates does and that shows up all over the tape. You have to be a super crisp route runner inside.

 

Please no logic to this conversation..Also no speculation you might step on the toes of those who are holding hands..