Who here is buying Dupree?

I never said anything even close to "they can't come in and learn it." If you are going to talk about the statements of others, please do so more carefully. I'm saying it is an advantage, which you already conceded. I'm saying you can't expect every player to do what special talents like Fitzpatrick and Ramsey do.

Your argument forgets that once they decide not to franchise Dupree, they are at the mercy of free agency, where nearly every team they are competing with has more cap space available.

 

Jenkins seems like the kind of guy who will be overpaid on a multi-year deal after the big names are gone.

 

Is that saying he's the 50th best pass rusher in the league according to their algorithm? Not sure if I buy that either. Don't he's top 5 though. Top 20s though probably at the weak-side position.

 

I think if the Jets were to obtain Dupree he'd be another underperforming OLB not much different than Jenkins production. Bud's not the kind of player that's going to be beating double teams.

 

Probably not, but he is exactly what the Steelers need over there, a guy who will make offenses pay leaving him one-on-one while focusing on Heyward, Watt and Tuitt (if he manages to stay on the field.)

 

I like this. We would most likely save enough to offer finney and maybe feiler. We could sign Jordan howard, draft a DT, sign vannett, draft a safety, draft a TE, draft a C/G and a WR. We could go into next season in pretty good shape.

 

I am not gonna play your stupid game with you like you have done with many others here. If you want to talk Steelers I am all in but don't tell me how I should talk or what I should say more carefully. I am not here to fight with you and I watch you do it with others and twist thing just to feel like you are right. I don't a flying fu%^ about you being right or wrong, you want to talk steelers fine but you are not my daddy and will will not tell me what to say. Thank you very much

Now moving on I am not forgetting that they have to tag him before FA. If you have been paying attention I have listed a ton of names and accept the fact that I would have to get one of them and I feel very comfortable about doing that. JMO

 

Dupree or Jenkins or both?

 

Nope they are ranking the FA's

 

There is no game. You misrepresented my point. I never said a new player can't come in and learn the system. Please don't do that. Also, did not address you in a rude manner. I even said please.

You also may want to consider getting a handle on your temper.

I'm not sure your comfort level with the free agent market makes much sense given that it is a competition in which the Steelers will be outgunned by just about every other team in the league because they have so little room under the cap.

 

I am just gonna say whatever on the other stuff like I said I am here to talk steelers not get life lessons. As for my temper it is just fine it has gotten me this far in 50 years.......


Anyways nope my comfort level is just fine. We are talking about spending the money we are using to tag Bud so the money is there. They will have to make room to tag him correct.......so I am taking that same money and going shopping.

 

Hey, if you are comfortable with the defense taking a step back, I'll have to disagree with you there.

 

I’m pretty confident we can find a worthy player in the 6-10mil. range. They would be stepping in to a lovely situation playing with the others on this defense. They are set up for success with a bookend like Watt. Someone may be looking to make a splash and a run on a new contract with the potential 17 game schedule on the horizon. More games more money ,although I’m not sure how exactly it will work with players already under contract. Anyway they would have leverage in the negotiations of their new deal. If no one is enticed by a 1 yr deal we could make it a 2yr deal with a guarantee. We would need to replace 2 OLBs anyway. So FA and a draft pick,OlA ,Skipper,TJ. We could still use that FA in his second year as a veteran back up at worst.

I don’t get the fear of losing Dupree because he had 1 good year. What he did last year has no bearing on next year and vice versa. There are no guarantees either way and I think the learning curve excuse has been debunked for a couple reasons already.

 

What makes you think it will take a step back you have no clue if it will.....nor do I. We could sign a guy like Golden for example and he could have a season like Barrett did this year and be better than Bud was. We can also tag Bud and he could play like the first 4 years of Bud not the 5th year bud.....so I guess i cam comfortable with that. What i do know is that with 17 mil I could try and fix more than just OLB........just sayin.

 

Apparently I missed where Bud walked on water.......man what a change one year makes. I remember many here wanting Bud or DUD as some of us called him gone. Now after one good season he is irreplaceable...........

 

Not every team needs an olb. Most 4-3 teams wouldn't be looking at guys like jenkins. Testing the waters can not hurt. Making dupree a decent non bank breaking offer is a route to try as well. Spending the type of money the tag may be is way over paying for a one year rental. There is a huge difference for guys that made 1-2 mil last year and a guy like bud that got 9 for one year.

 

It seems pretty simple to me. Bud cannot be a priority sign. We don't have the money. Would he be solid at that position barring injury? Very likely. But there is also very little proof that our defense would regress if he is replaced.

Unless someone can produce a magic ball to peer into the future, there's nothing to indicate our defense will suffer without him.

Our defense wasn't special with Bud and TJ bookending the DL until our secondary got better. Both of them benefitted by Minkah's arrival in spite of losing Tuitt.

And parading stats of last season proves nothing. TJ and Bud were together before last season and our defense wasn't special. I can give more statiscally negative seasons with Bud and TJ than statistically positive ones. This is just one more argument where stats aren't sufficient.

 

And I'm saying OLB doesn't need to be fixed if they keep Dupree, but it could be severely weakened if they go into a market with a large number of teams that can outbid them.

 

That part in bold simply isn't true. The production we saw in 2019 is definitely something that indicates the Steelers' defense will suffer without him.

Last season's statistics matter, too. Ignoring the most recent season makes little sense.

It is one more argument in which the statistics don't fit your argument, so you want to ignore them.

 

Any time a team loses a quality player that can rush the passer it can have an impact on the defense. Similar to a defense that gains a quality player can have an impact.

If only the Steelers had a crystal ball in regard to Ben and AB they wouldn't had loss millions of dollars and gained nothing in return. There are risks associated with any signing.

I hope the Steeler can manage to keep the defense together for another season.

 

The Steelers didn't need a crystal ball regarding Ben, they needed a little common sense.

 

And I am saying you don't know that for sure....Dupree has had 1 good year out of 5. The bottom line is it could be weakened keeping or letting him go. I felt the say way you do now a few years ago about Bell. I really didn't want to see him go for fear of weakening that position. We ended up ok Conner had a very good first year so players can be replaced.

 

Don't forget we get Tuitt back as well and that will help our front with or without dupree. Using 16 mil on dupree just don't see up.

as far as minka, he's big addition but haden and Nelson also had solid years.

it all works in unison, one helps the other.

losing dupree, losing hargraves, losing Barron and making Vince a starter again hurts the defense. Gaining Tuitt helps. Just depends how long he's healthy.

It's going to be different no matter what. All we can do is try to minimize the change and not hurt a different portion of the defense of team as a whole. Signing dupree to a 16 million dollar deal hurts many other spots but helps one.

 

I'll buy him at the Dollar store, but not at the Neiman Marcus store......

 

You can have your opinion. But it is no more valid than mine is. It is illogical to guarantee anything based on what might or might not happen with personnel next season.

The ONLY thing you can guarantee about next season if Bud isn't a Pittsburgh Steeler is that he won't contribute to the statistics that you kiss goodnight and put under your pillow for safekeeping.

You are undoubtedly an intelligent guy. Annoying as hell, but intelligent to be certain. You have to understand that you can't draw an absolute simply by offering a variable. In mathematical terms, you are trying to solve an expression. It can't be done.

Mathematically, you can't say that Steelers Production minus Bud's Production = Less Production because you're omitting the production of his replacement.

Maybe his replacement doesn't perform up to his level last season and we get Tuitt back and the secondary improves. The defense as a whole could post BETTER numbers with Bud playing elsewhere. This is not about one man.

Your logic is flawed.

Last season's statistics prove nothing. That's like saying you grabbed an apple off a tree and ate it. It was the most delicious apple you've ever tasted. You then assume that tree is no longer as good without that apple.

The tree is still a tree. It will still bear fruit. And the taste of the apples is determined by more than the twigs they blossom from. Length of winter, temperature, soil fertilization, decomposition, they all play a part in the fruit produced by the tree. It's the same thing for football. Bud's production was a result of his perfomance WITHIN the season, not as an absolute.

And lastly, hopefully for the last time, I dismiss stats when they don't fit my narrative. OF COURSE I DO. WHY THE **** WOULD I USE POINTLESS STATS TO BOLSTER MY ARGUMENTS?

You are doing the same thing. You bring up stats to bolster your argument. They fit YOUR narrative. So since YOU use them to compensate for a lack of unique thought, we have to accept them? Whenever we demonstrate that they fall short of painting an accurate picture, it is us just being naive? I say nay.

Once again, keep your stats. The two of you are made for each other. I'll just keep voicing my opinions based on experience.