Who here is buying Dupree?

this right here my friend is a great post and brings up all the points we have been going back and forth on in this thread. Great job.........straw man. Smh

 

Rather be a straw man than the Scarecrow...

 

But we don’t know what bell could have done if he was here. Omg

 

If I only had a brain...lol

 

I would rather be drunk but that isn’t for a few more hours. Lol

 

Wait...what?

 

Rationale thought processing, you have it straw man, some others...

 

Leave Butler out of this...lol

 

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...d-free-agents-walk-for-draft-capital-nfl-news

 

Signing Dupree doesn't mean they would lose Feiler, Finney, and Hilton, if Dupree signs a long term deal it could create cap space in 2020.

 

Not necessarily the 30% rule will eliminate any back loaded contracts. So he can’t take less money this year with the hopes of a big chunk coming down the road.

 

This green font suggests you think you do know what Bell would have done in 2018 if he had played. Clearly, you need help with your definition of the concept of knowledge.

 

You thought he had a great post a while ago, one that I easily tore apart. Your judgement in such matters is questionable at best.

 

I'm not even trying. I question the validity of the statistic and that article did try comparing the two without taking into account the fact that Dupree played a much higher percentage of the defensive snaps this season.

 

Wrong again. I see the advantage. I just question how likely it is to happen. The Steelers would have to surrender their leverage on Dupree, so at that point he is gone, before diving into the free agent market. Then they are doing so despite having less cap room than most of the league. They would also have to commit to a multiyear deal to get a good replacement, leaving them even more strapped for cash when the time comes to try to lock up Watt and/or Fitzpatrick next offseason.

You are fooling yourself if you think a player is taking less money to come to the Steelers. Some of you think these guys are going to want to play with Watt and Heyward and build their resumes for their next contract. NFL careers are too short for that. The players may not all get it, but the agents know better. They know a player can only count on one big free agent contract in a career. Some guys might get a second one, but counting on that is foolish unless you are a quarterback.

The opinions based in reality and facts tend to be better.

 

Not all of those 10 names are good options. Your entire premise regarding Golden, who sy least seems like he would be a viable option, is based on the idea that the Steelers can get him here more cheaply than they could keep Dupree. Why is that a likely outcome? I live in New York. I'm surrounded by Giants fans and analysis of that team. One of their offseason priorities is going to be their pass rush. They also have a lot more cap room than the Steelers. Golden had success with the Giants, who gave him a shot after injuries sidetracked his career with the Cardinals. Why would he take less to be a Steeler? That makes no sense. If the Giants don't make him a large contract offer, I'd take that as a huge red flag, a sign that they see something wrong that we aren't seeing from a distance.

You all act like getting that good player for little money is going to be easy. It isn't. In fact, it is unlikely to happen at all.

You are also ignoring the success of the Pittsburgh defense with Dupree this past season. We've seen what they can do with him opposite Watt. That doesn't mean it is guaranteed, but it is more likely than a projection of some other player in the role. For all the risk involved in Dupree, he is still the Steelers' safest bet.

 

You question the validity of the statistic? Why because it doesn’t support your cause? Why don’t you do your own research then? I’m sure you’ll come up with some lame excuse and just deny the statistics you typically hang your hat on. Why not now? The article is a comparison by position ,not to each other. Dupree was compared to his peers and Hargrave to his. I don’t understand why your comprehension is so bad or you’re too lazy to actually read it or it doesn’t fit your agenda. Possibly all of the above.

 

How was Pittsburgh’s defense looking before we got Minkah? About the same as it did the last couple of seasons before we got him. Silly to think all of a sudden the success of the defense hinges on Dupree when clearly it was Minkah who made the difference. I live in NY as well and am surrounded by Giants fans and analysis of the team as well. So don’t make it like you have some inside information. Once again though you keep focusing everything on Golden there will be other options it’s just a matter of finding the right fit. So not all 10 names are good options? Is that the same as none of them would be good options? Shaq Barrett last year. Steven Nelson? Did you expect that? Anthony Barr ring a bell.? I’m not gonna do the research for you. No one is saying that tagging Dupree is totally the wrong move. All we’re saying is there will be other options. You are the one making the premise seem inconceivable...when it’s not. There examples all across the league. I’m not doing the research for you but there’s plenty of examples....

 

Fitzpatrick didn't do that by himself. He was a missing piece. Safety has been a huge liability for the Steelers for years. Suddenly, they turned free safety into a strentht.

Once again, read the post more carefully. I never said it all hinges on Dupree. I'm saying he is part of a unit worth keeping together, so the success of the defense with him in it is worth considering as part of this discussion.

I also never said I have some inside information. Apparently, you haven't been paying much attention to those Giants fans around you if you don't realize pass rush is a priority for that team.

One more thing I never said was that none of the 10 would be a good option. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

I'm also not claiming that it is inconceivable that they will get a cheaper replacement in free agency. I'm just saying it is very unlikely because the good free agent outside linebackers aren't going to come cheap and the Steelers don't have the cap room to compete with most of the league in free agency. That is why the certainty of the one-year tag is so appealing. Again, that doesn't mean Dupree is a sure thing, though he is a good bet to match his 2019 as long as he stays healthy. For those who think he only got it going because he was playing for his next contract, that stays on the table for 2020 if they tag him.

I really must apologize for the repetitive structure in my post. You just suggested that I wrote so many things that I didn't write that it wasn't easy to correct them all.

 

You have your opinion. I have mine. Agree to disagree. I’m moving on ,it’s no longer worth my time. I’m on to the draft....

 

I was thinking he would get it in the form of a signing bonus, and that would clear some cap space.

 

I’m not gonna pretend be a cap expert but I don’t think it’s that simple. Everything I read says cuts will definitely need to be made. I don’t think a signing bonus is in the cards. Id be shocked of they offered a long term deal. Tag or let walk are very likely our only options.

 

I think they might try to do a long term deal at first, then if it fails they will tag him.

 

Anal-cranial inversion is strong with this one.

 

No chance in hell if anyone thinks signing Bud to a team friendly deal I some beach front property in Arizona to sell you. This isn't the 70's - 80's anymore the days young kids coming off good seasons taking less money are long gone. Ben who has made tons of money in his career didn't even give us a break and he is at the end of the road no way Bud passes on a big payday.