Where would we be if minority ownership had won out?

Several years ago, I think after the Tim Tebow debacle, there were some credible reports about minority ownership wanting Tomlin gone? In the end, the smug and arrogant Rooney and his overhyped “Steeler way” won out and Tomlin was retained. Tomlin has proceeded to do absolutely NOTHING with this team since then so is it time to admit that minority ownership was absolutely correct in wanting to let Tomlin go and the majority owner was wrong in deciding to retain him? How much further along would the Steelers be at this point if a change had been made then? I certainly don’t think we’d be worse off and we may be much better off with a new and improved philosophy and culture. I realize we’ll never know the answer to this, but years of Tomlin’s “we do what we do” and “I’m a fundamentalist as opposed to scheme” philosophy coupled with his Xs and Os deficiencies, lack of discipline and poor personnel (coaches and players) decisions have eroded this franchises foundation nearly to the point it needs to be blown up (with few exceptions) to start over.

 

We would be further along and I believe would be back to making noise in the playoffs. All anecdotal but just my gut because I believe Tomlin is beyond overrated.

 

Who knows. A lot would depend on who they would've hired and what the schemes looked like. Plus who knows if that person would be the coach today.

 

Impossible to say, but whatever the case may be, I think there would be a much different energy and feel to the team. I suspect that even if the team wasn't doing well, they would at least be trying to get better and not giving up like they currently have with the extremely stale and listless Mike Tomlin.

 

It is hard to say where we would be. Living in NC and following the Panthers as my favorite NFC team not my overall team though, I can say it could be worse but I really believe that Pitt seems to be heading that way now! I know where we would be if Cohwer would have stayed and that is at least 2-3 more SB wins with the talent that Tomlin has had!

 

We've had no playoff success anyway, so I can't see the downside. We'll never know though

 

I'd have to imagine someone could have won more than 3 playoff games during that time with some of the teams we had. Absolute failure.

 

Look at teams like the Panthers. That is the downside.

 

What were you going to do about the GM problem which was just as much of an issue??

 

That rumor started after the 2017 playoff loss. Art II said there was no truth to this rumor, before the following season, when being interviewed by Bob Pompeani.

 

Art Rooney 2 was not a good student throughout high school. People thought his interests weren’t academic, but it looks to me he is just dull. It is hard to mess up a franchise with such a loyal base, but he has shown he can do it.

 

I don't believe that at all. Not saying that there wouldn't be a playoff win or two but I don't think they would be anywhere close to what you describe.

The typical Steelers way is holding on to aging vets too long, letting them eat cap, and not embracing what every team needs to do every now and then and fully rebuild it to stay young and competitive. This philosophy existed well before Tomlin was ever the Steelers coach.

 

But you know that who ever they would have hired and what the new schemes would look like could be no worse then we have now. Anything would be an improvement.

 

Or look at the Bills. They changed their OC and have been significantly better since. They were on the verge of missing the playoffs.
Not an apples to apples comparison, but the fact remains that if a coach can't get the job done, it's time to replace him. Can't be scared of the results.

 

You're right, but we had some very good teams over the years. A great coach could have potentially taken those teams further.

 

We are very fortunate to have won 7 games so far and probably should be 4-10 or 5-9 at this juncture. But, a win is a win is a win. Several of our wins this season almost felt like losses. They had to be some of the most ungratifying wins I've ever experienced as a fan. I knew they were winning with smoke and mirrors and that house of cards (double cliche alert, lol) would eventually fall.

 

Not sure the Ravens' receivers dropping easy TDs and the generous 4th down spot in the Rams game can be attributable to coaching. I think getting outgained in every single win for the first 10 games of the season (a record) is a better indication that we were very fortunate to have won those games. But I think we all knew and the Steelers players and coaches knew that that wasn't sustainable. We just didn't realize it was going to collapse in such spectacular fashion as it has for the last three games. Four of the last five games have been some of the worst losses since I can remember.

 

I can handle a 3 win season if the team is rebuilding and working toward something. Right now, this team has no direction and no identity.

 

The Steelers fired their offensive coordinator this season, too. Did you miss that? It was in all the papers.

 

Nope, but clearly you missed the intent of this thread. The reference is about replacing Tomlin years ago and whether that would result in success or failure. My post was pretty clear in that firing coaches can result in success. If you can't follow along, then perhaps a message forum isn't an appropriate place for you.

 

I think there have been times he's done an adequate job, the second half of last season for instance. He held the team together after a 2-6 start and finished 7-2. But even then they missed the playoffs. There is some good to Tomlin, but the bad outweighs the good. You and I agree that the Steelers should not retain him at this point even though we disagree that Tomlin has done a fine coaching job this year to have the team at 7-7.

 

My point was that the Steelers already did what the Bills did, so why are you complaining? Do you find it embarrassing that you started to chide me for not keeping up when it was you who didn't understand my post? You should.

Of course, it is a tangent that is part of a larger discussion. Those tend to happen quite a bit on message boards. If you don't understand that, perhaps a message forum isn't an appropriate place for you.