When do we need to have THE TALK?

We lost one game to Peyton Manning and the rest of his playoff caliber team. And not even by that much. To the OP, as of right now "the talk" isn't on anyone in the organizations mind, and won't be unless we "unleash hell" all season. If we had drove down the field and won the game with little-to-no time remaining this thread probably wouldn't exist. Clark, Harrison, DD all out as well. We played a good game minus a few mistakes. The multitude of false starts didn't help things but that is fixable. And if you take away those screen passes we gave up all night and things maybe turn out much differently.

But I bet we will practice against those for next game. Know why? Because Tomlin and the rest of the staff know what they are doing.

 

I'm confused, haven't the Steelers been contenders under Tomlin and even reached 2 SB's lol wtf are you talking about! I swear I want to kill some of you guys, just for like 5 minutes, *bang* see you in 5 minutes.[/quot
Do you think Mike Tomlin is on the same level as Bill Belicheck? Do you think Mike Tomlin has the backbone of Bill Belicheck? Do you think Bill Belicheck would tolerate the level of mediocrity that we've endure here on D for the last few years? Do you know that BB took the last ranked D to the Super Bowl? Can Tomlin do that? If you can honestly tell me that Tomlin is a better coach than BB...well... ok...

 

Wait a minute...

 

The whole reason I am so mad, and NO I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF TOMLIN, is that people do not "FEAR" us! The Steelers mystique is that we are always gonna put an intimidating product on the field. Is it not? Do you think ANYONE is fearing us as of right now? I don't. Losing is one thing. Not being respected and feared is another. That's why I'm mad.

 

Ok.... Here is a simple question for ANYONE on this board... but especially for those who are blinded by loyalty... DO YOU BELIEVE THAT MIKE TOMLIN IS AS GOOD OF A COACH AS BILL BELICHECK? "YES" or "NO" Did you know that there has recently been talk of adding Belichek's name to the Lombardi, WHICH I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH, but that should speak volumes to my point. Here is the answer in case you don't know. BB is a better coach than Mike Tomlin. Nothing personal against anyone but that is the truth. Go Steelers! Now and FOREVER.

 

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Well no, I can't say Tomlin is a better coach then Belicheck but that wasn't the question was it? The fact is, we have been contenders under Tomlin and been to 2 SB's, winning one of them. And BB's defenses have sucked lately so lets not get all gushy over that huh.His defense has been the definition of mediocrity the last several seasons.[/quote:3v212wax]
But here is what Belichek has that Tomlin doesn't. When a guy starts to decline, even a LITTLE, in production Belichek will let him go. How long did we scream for an o line? How long have we screamed for a corner? How many times does Ziggy need to get pwnd? Would BA still be here if it were up to Tomlin? Belichek is an absolute GENERAL and has no emotion or sentimentality whatsoever. He's like a Vulcan or something. And for the record I said that the Pats are ALWAYS contenders. As of right now, I can not say that we are contenders. The Ravens look like contenders. The Pats look like contenders. If we make it we are gonna have to go for the Wild card for how we are playing right now. The AFC in general to me seems to be in decline. Can you honestly say that right now we could even stand a chance against the 49ers if we had to play them in the Super Bowl? I just don't think that as of right now we can be considered contenders.

 

Dude all I was doing was saying that I don't think that Tomlin will take the initiative to do what needs to be done and Belichek will. It took Mr. Rooney to get rid of BA. I love Mike Tomlin for the most part. I DON'T think he's a good clock manager and I DON'T like his deflective little Tomlinisms and platitudes. I mean honestly the only coach I can think of that I think is better than Tomlin is Belichek. He's in great company. But do you not think that we would be better off if Tomlin would take a few pages from his playbook? There's nothing wrong with learning from others.

 

If it were that easy, the league might have 32 Belichecks.

 

Well the reason I put what I did was because I was agreeing with you about the status quo thing you mentioned and I think Belichek is the poster child for NOT sticking to the status quo. That's all I was saying was that if Tomlin would take some initiative we might have some better corners than we have. I was thinking today that we could've maybe even had Tracy Porter on our team. I'm not sure what he's getting paid but he's worth more than Mundy for sure.

 

x 1 million. Also x 1 million.

 

OMG!!! Calm down Y`all!!! :o
To address the issue of whether Tomlin has any "Backbone"(Tolerate "mediocrity")... Is Hines still here?
Is Arians still here? (He may have been forced into that one)...
Anyhow, the only nitpicking thing that I really have an issue with Tomlin is, is his use of challenges...
He seems to only challenge plays that make me wonder why in the hell he even challenged them..
Maybe players are lobbying for him to throw the flag, or people in the booth that see the replays are giving him bad info?
I don`t know, but I have a feeling, if you checked his stats on challenges, he would be damn near last on the list of success rate.
Thats a "talk" I would have with him, and it is a MINOR thing...in the overall scheme of things...
Another thing that was touched on way earlier in the thread(and I should have stopped to "quote" before posting this), was how we seem to do better with our "backs against the wall".
I have noticed this also, and not JUST from a season long(game by game) perspective.
It seems that MOST of the time, when we are in a close game, we play harder/do better, than when we actually DO get a big lead before the 4th qtr.(Yes, it does occasionally happen)...
We seem to get lazy/complacent...I don`t blame the coaches for this. Maybe I should?
To me, that`s on the players... I REALLY miss the days when we were a dominant team, and I didn`t have to bite my nails thru the fourth qtr, HOPING we wouldn`t blow it!
Of course, some of that could be attributed to the fact that it has been so long since we were that kinda team, that my memory has become a little "Fuzzy"...
When I look at some of the old games from the 70`s, I find that I had forgotten how close a lot of those were! :o
Anyhow... Parity in the league being what it is... I would say we are STILL one of the top contenders every year.
Would changing coaches/front office personell every other year like the Clowns do, bring better results?
I DOUBT IT!!!!

 

Oh cr@p, did I miss the season and all is lost? Here I thought it was the 1st game?

In a fortnight we've fired the new OC, the old DC, Polamalu, Woodley, the entire OL, the coach, all the while switching to a 4-3 with an occasional cover 2 thrown in for good measure. Have I missed someone? All yea there it is, sadly even this boards beloved redzone Redman was let go when he received "the talk".

Are the Rooneys safe or has "the game passed them by?"