Whats the biggest change you want to see in the D?

You want to see naked ladies in the defense? I suppose it's one way of getting the disruption that Ray D was calling for...

 

All we have to do is listen to all the offseason talk and how we are going to be using a 4-3 "more", they never say we are switching but they say we are going to use it. I don't care what we run 4-3...3-4 whatever just show me results.

 

Biggest change already happened for me: Dick and Troy's man crush ended on the team. No longer will the D be forced to cover for Troy's wrong guesses and Dick's endless mindset that Troy is still able to play like he did in 2008. Those changes have happened, so I am pleased.

 

LeBeau had no clue in 2011 on how to stop freaking Tim Tebow, so that narrative isn't overrated. His defenses have been predictable and been exploited for the last 3-4 years.

 

Let's get back to Blitzburgh, and no more 10 yard cushions by the CBs on every freaking play.

 

On the contrary. In 2011 the Steelers defense was:
#1 in yards allowed
#1 in pass yards allowed
#8 in rush yards allowed, and
#1 in points allowed.

In 2012 we were:
#1 in yards allowed
#1 in pass yards allowed
#2 in rush yards allowed, and
#6 in points allowed.

You picked one game as evidence, which kind of seems like cherry picking, don't you think? Maybe you'd like to give us evidence of a defense you prefer? One that didn't have a single bad game all season, please.

Anyway, while I agree that LeBeau had a bad game against Tebow, I don't think it's because he had no clue how to stop him. He actually did everything right: he took away the running game, including Tebow's ability to run, and forced Tebow to beat us with his arm. Before that game, wouldn't you have thought that Tim Tebow outpassing Ben Roethlisberger was pretty damn unlikely? Everyone knew that Tebow was a third-rate passer, and if you just didn't let him scramble around, you'd have no problem. Tebow took the challenge and won, passing all over us, perfect throws left and right. Didn't help that our secondary players played like crap.

I don't give LeBeau a pass, because he failed to adjust at halftime. Instead of respecting Tebow's newfound ability to throw a ball, he stuck with the gameplan and wagered Tebow wouldn't be able to keep it up (which he did). That was bad, but you should recognize how amazingly well Tebow played in that game. On top of that, our offense was a complete disaster.

But yeah, we were predictable and exploited big time in 2011 and 2012. Ignore all those numbers above. We should have fired LeBeau on the spot.

Have you ever seen a game from 2008?

 

This is a what have you done for me lately league, and Lebeau's defense gave up 27 plays of over 40 yards last season. And the defense couldn't stop Tampa, Cleveland, and the Jets in losses.

 

While I can definitely see your point... this is a offensive league now as the rules clearly indicate. Those losses can easily be put on the O as well.While I do think it was time for a change I feel it's more up to our O which is the strength of our team to set the tone. Our D has been carrying us for years ,a more consistent O can make life much easier for the D.

 

But wasn't your point that Lebeau was predictable and the defense exploited for the last 3-4 years? Not just last season?

 

Correct, there has been a trend the last 3-4 years.

 

I completely demolished your claim that our defense was predictable and exploited in 2011-2012, and your only response is a stat from 2014, a year which I completely acknowledge our defense did not play well.

You're not making any sense.

 

Dude those stats don't mean a thing, on the biggest stage in the playoffs in 2011 and 2014 the defense stunk. What part of trend don't you understand?

 

Let's not forget one thing DL was the chef and he has to cook with what the company gives him.......you can't make chicken soup out of CHICKEN ****!!!! I am not taking the blame away from DL but come on look at our defense they were good 3-4 years ago. Ike, Troy, Harrison, Keisel are much older/slower, gone is Woodley, Hampton, Lewis, Clark, Farrior.....these guys have not been replaced.

Also just a note about the Tebow thing go back and watch that last play, was that Lebeau out of position not giving help over the top like the DB thought would be there? I think not and it has been said many a time the safety was out of position, on his own making!

 

Snack you are trying to debate the guy that said Harrison was washed up and done and 32 teams agreed with him, who said he wanted younger faster players and would live with the growing pains. Then after the first two games of the season last year with his younger faster team he was one of the first guys on here complaining that they couldn't stop the run, couldn't pressure the QB and the pass defense was horrible. Doesn't sound like living with the growing pains does it? Now predictably it was all DL's fault for using a predictable scheme that was figured out years ago and had nothing to do with a young inexperienced players. IF you are looking for him to admit he was wrong it will be a long wait, more than likely you will get some qoutes from fan sites and talking heads that agree with his POV and told that it was not the most right he has ever been.

 

I guess your definition of "trend" is one thing I don't understand. Also what must have happened to you as a child for you to have these crippling insecurities. It's okay to be wrong, you know. I'm not wrong that often about this stuff, but it's not because I see the future, it's because I don't go around making ridiculous emotional claims and then have to re-invent definitions and straight up lie to try and make myself feel like I wasn't wrong after all.

This is just a message board with no real consequences, but I can't imagine you behaving this way at work or in public. If this is how you are, then seriously, seek help.

Here, I'll get the ball rolling... I said the Cam Thomas signing was good. I hadn't really thought of him as a good player, but if our guys (Colbert, LeBeau, Mitchell) thought he'd be better at 5-tech, I'd go for it. The finances weren't bad. I was pretty much the opposite of clairvoyant. I was dead wrong. Cam sucks. Now, would you like to share?

 

unleash the d-linemen........ enough of the occupying blockers for the lbers nonsense..... it needs to be open season on the qb, and everyone needs to be the hunter !!!!!!!!!!

 

I think this is a change we all want to see, and on the bright side, one that is actually happening. Cam Heyward is a hunter, and I think they will try to get the same out of Tuitt. I think Butler will let these guys play a little more free.

 

yea, I think this had already started happening under DL. what a visionary. it's also part of the problem of less run stuffing, coupled with the LB'ers dropping into coverage more. give and take somewhere. I do hope the DE's get a little better at getting off of blocks to make these stops. tuitt and heyward can make life tough on the passing pocket as they mature. so much depends on the backend though. I'm hoping we get the interior and Timmons back in the pass rush game too as these guys all mature together. we could be dangerous again.

 

Dude you're delusional if you think I give a damn what you think. I don't even read half of the crap that you post just a bunch of long winded nonsense.

 

And on a side note, since I was quoted, to get me back into this, I agree with Black n Gold Patrol...

Unleash the linemen... McClendon, will never be Hampton, eating up blocks, but he can damn sure use his speed/explosiveness off the ball, to attack the qb...

When McCullers, learns his techniques, he should be able to penetrate the back field, in no time, instead of just using his size and weight to bullrush over the center...

Tuitt has a ton of ahleticism, size, and speed, and Cameron Heyward(From Ohio, not the ex-Charger), brings plenty of attitude, speed, and muscle...

If we switch from "occupying" blockers, to getting in the backfield, we have the "horses" to do it!!!

Disrupting the run, or getting in the qb`s face, either way, attack the line!!!

GO STEELERS!!!

 

You really read half my posts?? That is so sweet. I can't say if I've ever read your posts before. I mix up all the generic "Steel" names.

 

This may explain why this conversation between you two seems to be going round in circles somewhat.

 

As Cowher use to say to Lloyd, get the QB.
Lets see some passion/heart,excitement return to Heinz Field.
watch the empty seats vanish.ATTACK!!!

 

I'm also of the view about attacking the QB etc., but we need a pass rush that can actually break through.

I don't break down film like some here, but I did notice last season that our rush was getting stuck on blockers, and some over-pursuit from the younger guys (McCullers would be driving his man into the backfield, when the play had already moved forward). There were a fair few bad angles taken by DLmen when the QB was flushed out of the pocket.

Most of this is due to inexperience with Tuitt and McCullers, so I expect improvements next season. But my general point is that we need our defense to be dynamic, not simply aggressive.

 

It actually would.