What would be for you a successful season for the steelers?

To be fair, it is not entirely unheard of for members to be told their opinions are wrong. Statements presented as opinion or fact are often met with the same scrutiny.

 

Refute the points I made, instead of just making up --t. Refute it. Oh, you can't, you're just using straw man argument. Got it. No refusion of assertions made.

 

Zero back tracking, you haven't offered any evidence of wrong info. Just as I thought. Wait, offer some straw man arguments, that will do the trick.

 

The point you've just made can go both ways though. You were arguing that they should be able to refute your original point but you also are unable to back it up with any kind of link. I just did a Google search to try and go back to see if there is anything to this and I couldn't find anything either. The most logical statement about this is that all three involved, Rooney, Colbert, and Tomlin all had discussions and were all on the same page about selecting Pickett. I was unable to find anything that suggested Rooney himself was the one who handpicked Pickett.

 

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/04/r...omebody-who-broke-all-of-dan-marinos-records/

This article by Alex Kazora may be the source of the confusion.

 

I did the same before I called him on the bull****

Now he’s backtracking

So be it

It’s Labor Day I’m not wasting time teaching those who can’t learn

 

It's like this: The OWNERS opinion carries more weight than the rest, not that the others didn't agree, but they aren't going to oppose the owner's wishes, you know how that goes. Art spoke up saying he wasn't about to let a Marino situation re-occur. I read that, don't know where, but I did.

 

Well, maybe with teams like the Cowboys, the owners opinions carry more weight but I think the Rooneys have traditionally been more hands off. I don't disagree that they've always had some level of input but by all accounts, they've left the player personnel aspect of it to the coaches and GM. Now, maybe Art was a little more vocal this time around because of the Marino aspect of it but I'm not sure Tomlin or Colbert ever fought him on it to begin with and had they done so, I believe Art would have listened to them more than you think he would. To be honest though, none of it really matters because Pickett is the guy until he proves he can't be.

 

Well, if you listen to Rooney his opinion is why we drafted Ben; Cowher wanted to draft the OT who Philly drafted, so there is that. Art II was on record as saying "Not another Marino" when it came to Kenny. That's good enough for me. The owner's opinion means more than all the rest combined, Dallas or Pitt.

 

You probably read the article by Alex Kozara that Born2Steel posted above. You need to read it more carefully. There is no quote from Rooney saying they weren't going to risk passing on a Pitt quarterback and have it turn out like Marino. That was an assertion made by Kozara. Rooney just pointed out the success Pickett had at Pitt, which included breaking Marino's records.

Perhaps you weren't making things up, but you either misread them or remembered them incorrectly. Yes, Rooney said something positive about Pickett when they drafted him. So did Colbert. So did Tomlin. I'm sure all three were in the decision, but there is no evidence to support your claim that Rooney forced them to make that choice.



Watch this video. Does that seem like a coach who was forced to take a player he didn't want by the owner?

 

https://steelersnow.com/bill-cowher-sets-record-straight-on-drafting-ben-roethlisberger/

This was straight out of Cowhers mouth on Ben's podcast. People on here seem to try and make it black and white when it comes to player selection. There's input from multiple guys and I don't believe for a second that any one person made the decision on Ben or on Kenny.

 

No, Rooney was not on record saying that. He never said, "Not another Marino." He mentioned breaking Marino's records in his praise of Pickett, but that isn't even close to the same thing.

The comparison to Dallas doesn't work, either. Jerry Jones runs that show and has since he got rid of Jimmy Johnson. That is a big part of why they haven't won a Super Bowl since the team Johnson built has been gone.

Again, I don't think you made it up so much as you either read it wrong or remembered it wrong, but you definitely got this wrong.

 

Thank you

He wanted me to teach him I’m retired

I was hoping you would take the ball and run with it

 

LOL. You know my low tolerance for such nonsense.

 

I was counting on it

Are you back to work for the new year

 

OK, so in your guys world the owner's opinion doesn't matter much and the team just does what it wants regardless of what the owner wants? Got it!

 

Tomorrow. Don't remind me. lol

 

Yep, same here. That is my minimum expectation to call the season a success.

However, I think more than that is actually possible.

 

I don't recall anybody stating that they thought the owners opinion didn't matter. The main pushback was against your claim that Rooney himself was the driving force behind not only getting Pickett drafted but Ben as well.

 

And I maintain those assertions, using common sense and quotes as my support material. Are you guys going to also argue that Rooney has nothing to do with deciding on which coordinators to hire and fire as well? Come on.

 

What I do know is that using passive-aggressive comments and putting words in people's mouths isn't a great way to support your argument. The initial discussion was about the selection of Kenny Pickett. You're the one who brought up the selection of Ben and now the hiring of coordinators? All just to support your claim about Rooney's level of involvement? Die on that hill if you so choose but it seems kind of ridiculous to me. Again, and I'll try and make this as clear as I can, no one is saying that Art is not involved in these operations you're referencing. The disconnect here is the level of involvement. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

No one argued that. The rest of us are trying to have a rational discussion with you. We have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, pointing out where you might have gotten mixed up regarding Rooney's comments. You thought he said they weren't going to have another Marino-type situation. He didn't say that. Kozara wrote it in an article that included Rooney's comments. Rooney mentioned Pickett breaking Marino's records, but that isn't the same thing. Instead of acknowledging your error, you weakly protested that you "read it somewhere," but you can't present a link to that comment. You messed up. We would all have a lot more respect for what you have to say if you would just admit it.

Instead, you are trying this nonsense. Nobody here argued that Rooney had no input in drafting Pickett. Nobody here argued that he has no input regarding the coaching staff. Those are straw man arguments and everyone here sees right through them. What we are telling you is that there is no evidence that Pickett was his call and only his call. What we are telling you is that Tomlin, Colbert, and Rooney all had input into an organizational decision, which seems to be how they always handle things. The only difference is now it is Khan in place of Colbert.

If you want to argue that Rooney wanted Pickett, go for it. He certainly said positive things about him after the fact. If you want to argue that it was only Rooney and that Rooney should be blamed if Pickett doesn't work out, which seems to be your angle, the evidence does not support your claim. The Steelers' history doesn't support your claim. The comments after the draft don't support your claim. The video of Tomlin's giddy reaction when he called Pickett doesn't support your claim.

 

Very disappointment season.No playoffs win but the biggest disappointment is that the QB position is a huge question mark for next year and this is not fun

 

so wrong again!