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What is a horsecollar tackle?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by RobVos, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. RobVos

    RobVos Well-Known Member

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    I thought you were allowed to grab the jersey?????.... I thought the penalty was if you grabbed the collar of the pads up in the area of the back of the neck. I just saw the Lions get called 2 times for this penalty and both times the defender only had the jersey in that area, I thin iot is crap if you can't grab the jersey. What's the real rule? It lead to a TD vice a stop.
     
  2. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I thought the rule was if you reach inside the shoulder pads and use that to drag a guy down from behind.

    Not watching that game so can't compare it to the Lions game.
     
  3. truckin9999

    truckin9999 Well-Known Member

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    Just grabbing the jersey is not a flag. Sounds like the refs screwed up again.
     
  4. NDsteelerfan

    NDsteelerfan Well-Known Member

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    What!?!?!? That never happens.
     
  5. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Yup.
     
  6. RobVos

    RobVos Well-Known Member

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    They need to allow the coaches to throw the red flag and challenge these types of bad calls. They have such a huge impact on the game. I am all for allowing things to unfold and bad and missed calls will happen, but these personal foul 15 yard automatic first downs on these new rules that are being incorrectly call are game killers.
     
  7. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I seem to remember there being a discussion about whether all plays should be reviewable. I honestly don't see why they can't. Especially with judgement calls made in the heat of the moving game.
     
  8. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    The horsecollar tackle isn't a new rule at all. It's just that the refs have been told that if they think something might have been a foul, then they should throw the flag, whereas before they wouldn't throw the flag unless they were sure it was a penalty. That's the thing that has changed that is really driving people nuts. The constant bad calls really is ruining the game.
     
  9. RobVos

    RobVos Well-Known Member

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    I thinit is a relatively new rule...last few years????? Or am I just getting THAT old?
     
  10. ScottChab

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    2006
     
  11. Myronwemissyinz

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    If you grab the inside of the jersey even without grabing the shoulder pads it is still a horse collar tackle.

    But I did find something I didnt know researching this rule...You can horse collar the QB as long as he is still in the pocket. :confused: Had to read that a few times just to make sure I got it right.
     
  12. ScottChab

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    Where did you read that?
     
  13. Myronwemissyinz

    Myronwemissyinz

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    NFL Rule Book

    A.R. 12.91 HORSE COLLAR
    Second-and-10 on B40. As quarterback A1 starts to scramble, B1 pulls A1 down from behind by
    grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or inside the collar of the side of the
    shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulls A1 to the ground. a) A1 is still in the pocket; or b) A1 is
    outside the pocket, when this occurs. A1 is tacked at the B45.
    Rulings: a) A’s ball, third-and-15 on B45. No foul, as the quarterback (or runner) was still in the pocket
    (or tackle box).
    b) A’s ball, first-and-10 on B30. Behind/Behind. (12-2-1-d)
     
  14. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Wow. As much as they are protecting QBs, I'm absolutely amazed.
     
  15. jhmiller3

    jhmiller3 Well-Known Member

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    But, you realize that there is not one official that understands that rule, right? :shrug: :shrug:
     
  16. ScottChab

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    Really? Any examples of a QB being taken down in the pocket by a horsecollar with a flag being thrown?
     
  17. jhmiller3

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    No, it just seems so obscure and random and they miss so many obvious calls how can they possibly know about this litte oddity?
     
  18. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    I'd be willing to bet that they know the rule.
     
  19. mdbates2

    mdbates2 Well-Known Member

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    Really? Do we want 6-hour games?
     
  20. ScottChab

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    It would probably be more like 7 hours.

    {sarcasm]Maybe they can get a panel of like 40 people and give them buttons to use to vote on calls. Just get rid of the refs all together.{/sarcasm}
     
  21. mdbates2

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    Why only 40? Just open it up to anyone with text-messaging. (also sarcasm)
     
  22. RobVos

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    I did not say review all the plays, I said allow the coack to throw the reg flag -- they only get so many per game and if they use them on this type of call it will not be available later, but these calls can really affect game outcomes.
     
  23. mdbates2

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    O.K. then, I would tend to agree, but it won't happen. If they were to open up any play to challenges, you would have coaches clamoring to have more than 2 per game - thus lengthening the game. Keeping things limited - but perhaps opening up some penalties (judgement calls) to review may be alright by me. As long as the game length doesn't change.
     
  24. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    My point was the same as Rob's - keep the same number of challenges, just let all plays be open to challenge. No extra game time at all. I don't see the logic that coaches would then want more challenges.
     
  25. bettissb40

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    If you change anything. How can the game not be lenghted. Let the fans call in a foul or penelty like they do in golf. That would really give us an all day game.
     

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