What if the Steelers played with deflated balls?

Stranger things have happened!!

 

Article to go with the graph...

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/01/23/deflated-patriots-statistically-impossible-fumble-record/


Interesting stuff

 

The odds of such a statistical distribution were calculated at one in 16,233. That’s a comma, not a decimal. Sixteen thousand two hundred and thirty three to one.

WOW!!!

 

There's nothing damming about it. Anytime you have statistics, there's going to be a statistical outlier. There's always exceptions, always. Besides, there's always this...

Bill Belichek very quickly yanks guys from games that fumble. Not to mention that for a few years they had a RB who simply doesn't fumble (BJGE). When you have a RB who never fumbles, that's going to make your numbers look pretty good.

 

Of course there are ways to manipulate that data any way you want to get conclusions...

There are even guys arguing that the gauge was not calibrated properly or that a different gauge was used etc...

One guy in the comments even said the same (sic) "We don't know how much lower the pressures were, it could have only been .7 which could be explained by temperature" (sic). When we do know they said it wasn't a minor change.

To me it comes back to the fact that someone did it and it couldn't have been the first time. Brady had to know they were different and if it doesn't help anything...Why do it?

 

"It couldn't have been the first time." You're quite possibly right, but I don't believe in crucifying people with proof. If there was proof it happened in previous games then fine, but simply going back to show they were better than their competition isn't proof of anything except them being good at ball control. If you believe something, you can usually find some statistic somewhere to support your argument.

 

Agree, beware the article with the words "Statistically Impossible" in the title. In a world of 7 billion people, one in 16000 shots happen every minute.

Over the last 2 yrs the Pats have fumbled more than the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've also outfumbled their two playoff opponents so far this yr. Does that prove anything?

 

You'd think I would have that attitude considering I work around convicted felons, but I always want proof, and past wrongdoing isn't proof to me. Besides, taping defensive signals (which at one time was legal) is very different than tampering with game balls.

 

It was more than just taping those signals. They had practices in there and had a guy assigned to dissect and catalog them.


No telling what else was there though. When Anti-trust exemptions are on the line, you get rid of evidence quickly.

 

Absolutely, Blast! They are establishing a culture of cheating in New England and that's been proven on more than one occasion now. The point is that they are knowingly breaking the rules to try to give themselves an advantage.

 

I will never forgive them for robbing us of a chance at another SB in 2004. We trounced them in the regular season ,then they returned the favor the n the playoffs. It was the game that Hines said after the game they were calling out our plays. I hate them scumbags...l

 

This is a excerpt from a article published today written by Howard Ulman of AP sports....

A former NFL ball boy said it's easy to remove air from a ball discreetly with a small pin that fits in the palm of a hand.
"This isn't a big deal. Everyone does it because each quarterback likes a different grip," Nader Kawash, a Philadelphia Eagles ball boy from 1996-2000, told The AP. "I'm not saying a ball boy or equipment guy did anything on purpose to cheat. Sometimes the balls are overinflated so it's easy to take some air out on the sideline without the referees noticing. You can use a helmet pin. Players can stand around in a circle. Anybody can do it."


Complete article.....

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/27925858/nfl-says-no-conclusion-yet-on-pats-deflated-footballs

 

It had to have been the Pats, because the Magic Football Fairy has a rock solid alibi.

 

This.
I was going to reply until I saw your post.
Everyone forgets, especially New England fans, that it wasn't just "video taping" signals but rather a much deeper and more involved process. It drives me nuts when I hear a Chowda Head dismiss the whole thing as just stealing signals and everyone does it.

 

Did anyone catch BBs presser yesterday? My thoughts as written in another thread.....

 

Ok, I just read the transcript here.....http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...cript-bill-belichicks-defense-of-the-patriots.


What Im getting from this is that at best they can explain a drop of 1 PSI through ball preparation. And the addition .5 to 1 PSI they can't explain so he's putting that on the refs.

I understand that intense rubbing of the ball to scuff and prep the outside surface can cause the bladder and air inside to raise and will give a false reading, but I still have questions. How long after the ball prep is stopped does it take for the bladder and internal air pressure to equalize and return to normal? I ain't no scientist, but I cant imagine that it would take very long. And how long after this intense prep and subsequent heating of the internal air are the balls inflated by the refs? Is it quick enough that the internal air and bladder are still high enough to give a false reading? Any scientists here what to chime in? And what about the sheer number of balls? It seems to me that there would have to be numerous people, possible as many as 12, one per ball, preparing these things because if it were only one or two guys by the time they got to the last few balls, wouldn't the first few have already started to equalize their internal air temps?

IMO for his explanation to be true, there would have to be 12 guys each prepping a ball at the same time. They then would have to immediately take the balls to the refs who would have to immediately inflate the balls to something less than the minimum PSI and measure them with faulty equipment.

To me this doesn't explain anything and is what happens when a bunch of dumb jocks play scientist.

 

Another question is how come if they are so precise and calculated in how they prep their footballs and the weather was the factor,how come when they have played in much worse and colder conditions under inflation was never a issue? Hmm. They are blaming a approximate 25 degree temp difference made this happen. What happened when they payed in sub-freezing temperatures the ball would be flat as a pancake. Or do they have to adjust the Psi accordinggly ?They knew and know exactly what they're doing. Brady said he likes his footballs at exactly12.5 then goes on to say he can't tell a difference. They sent the bold face liar up their to talk to the media because they know Brady is about to crack.

 

Well I don't think any of us can answer this because we are mostly a bunch of dumb jocks too. LOL. My buddy, a big Brady fan, yesterday told me that he saw a Harvard professor on some sports show saying that it is totally plausible what Brady was saying and that the weather played a role in this. I don't think we will ever truly know unless TMZ pays their ball boys to spill the beans.

 

Sorry! I can't see it! Out of ALL of those footballs 11 were underinflated and they all belonged to the Patsy's! Not buyin' it

 

Your right!
That would be fine if all the balls were the same for each team. I wonder why all of the Colts balls were properly inflated???????

This is only speculation but I think that Brady either has paid with money or some other type of bartering like tickets to the ball boys or someone that has control for that brief window before the game. I would also bet this has been happening at home games for a long time. Just a thought to ponder.

 

To me it boils down to this ,what is easier to believe, them lying/cheating or the weather only effecting their footballs. I know what my money is on.

 

A Harvard professor? Harvard is where again? Oh that's right, NEW ENGLAND! Probably a delusional Pats fan!