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What if the Steelers played with deflated balls?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 86WardsWay, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. biggbunch68

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    I dont kno, if I was innocent and had nothing to hide, I would gladly take a lie detector test, Just to prove i was right.... And if the cops wana search your car, believe me there gona search your car.. rather you consent or not ..
     
  2. Steel_in_DC

    Steel_in_DC Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if the investigator has any authority to conduct something like a lie-detector test. You could certainly hire an expert to carry it out properly.
     
  3. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    No chance. This "investigation" is going to be less thorough than the Rice investigation, and Mueller had no power to subpoena or force testimony as it's not a legal investigation...just a PR one.
     
  4. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I have a feeling that this is exactly what will happen. And that's just ****ing depressing, tbh.
     
  5. Steel_in_DC

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    Yeah - kind of makes sense. It isn't like we are trying to find out who shot Kennedy .... even though as Oswald said "he was just a Patsy" as well!
     
  6. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Yeah, seems like there was a time where someone wasn't found guilty or even charged and...well, I won't digress.

    We're not talking about legal matters here...no one's being truly "investigated" for anything. The league responds to public reaction and does their best to placate the situation. The reason these things get so much attention is because they happen in public. I can't imagine how much time and energy the league (and teams) spend keeping things from getting to that point. Usually their method of operation involves a combination of time, diffusion, watered down response, and some kind of ultimate resolution to make it appear that they've addressed the matter. It usually works.
     
  7. Steel_in_DC

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    Also - just wondering, I know there are conspiracy theories about BB and Brady okay'ing the doctoring, under-inflation of footballs. But what about the NFL in the scheme of things as well? If there was word of this thing happening earlier in week 11 or 12 when the Pats played the Colts in Indy why wouldn't you conduct the testing of balls during a regular season game to see if something was going on....i.e. why wait until the AFC Championship Game seeing the circus this has become right before the Super Bowl unless you know you can get a lot of increased interest in the NFL.
     
  8. shaner82

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    Oh for sure, I guess I was replying more to the philosophy of "well if you have nothing to hide...".

    I don't break the law and I have nothing to hide, but I would never allow the police to search me or my car. I would also never submit to a lie detector test to prove my innocence. Who knows how that machine is going to interpret my answers. There's a reason they aren't used in criminal trials by the prosecutor.
     
  9. mac daddyo

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    I think they should make tom tom play with over inflated balls next year. maybe mean joe can give them a kick before the season. LOL do we have and gifs on that?:lolol::cool:
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    personally, I'm not watching the SB in my own boycott of this brush aside of deflate gate. I know it will make no difference to anyone else but that's my own personal f you into this whole thing. seeing the pats win another cheating SB just makes my stomach turn. I'd sure like to see a lot more fans do it to send our own message but it won't happen.:shrug::sigh::cool:
     
  11. PWP

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    You can watch Seattle will take care of the Pats for you . When all those quick routes are not open Brady will start playing bad and ranting and raving at his guys. Coach Bill will look like he caught his wife in bed with the Glob Trotters . He will be trying to take some air out of those balls in his mind .
     
  12. Blast Furnace

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    I had a cop ask to search my trunk once, I let him, I didn't think anything of it and wasn't offended by it. I know what you are saying but for me, these guys have a job to do, why would I stand in the way of that? He asked me what was in my trunk and I said junk, he said can I see and I said sure.
     
  13. shaner82

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    Their job is not to search the vehicles of people who have done nothing wrong. I don't agree with doing the job like that.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It most certainly is. I was driving back and forth past this one house several times, I finally pulled in the driveway to see if I could see a house number, I was to go on an interview in a few day, was trying to locate the house before hand. As I was backing out, I turned my head to the left and saw the patrol car pulling out of the bushes about 30 yards away, he flicked on his lights and I knew right away what he thought was going on. As it turns out, there had been a rash of burglaries in the area, he thought I was casing the house. What if I was the one robbing the area and had a trunk of loot? I'd be pissed if he didn't search the trunk.
     
  15. snipit73

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    :hmm:

    You must be one of them shady lookin' characters
     
  16. shaner82

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    Well this is getting off topic, but I'll just say I'm glad the courts agree with me. If the cop can give me a good reason why he needs to search my car, I'll consider it, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let him search my car simply because he's a cop and he asks to.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I thought I just gave you one and its not illegal here but you're right, this is off topic.
     
  18. 12to88

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    It all depends on whether or not the video of the attendant is released to the public. If it is, and people get to see that footage, get to see this sneaky little guy going into a room with those footballs, then in the court of public opinion, this matter will stick with the Pats for a long time. Many former players are already critical and skeptical; see what happens when the actual video is seen. It'll be ubly for BB, Brady, Kraft, and the whole organization. It will indeed taint them, maybe more so than spygate.
     
  19. Steel_in_DC

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    But I think the Patriots organization provided the tape to the investigators...so from reports all it shows is a guy going into the bathroom. And I am pretty sure there is no surveillance of the bathroom therefore - we'll never know. From what others have said 90 seconds is enough time to take air out of the football, it is probably too much time to just take a pee, and not enough time to pinch a loaf.
     
  20. BobbyBiz

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    What I hope the NFL and their investigators have asked for and hopefully the Pastries have provided, are the surveillance tapes from the Ravens game the week before and even further back if possible.

    If this guy stopping to take a leak before handing the balls off is a regular occurrence, then the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming that a huge punishment should definitely follow. As far as the court of public opinion, I think that it's 80% against the Pastries now. If the circumstantial evidence plays out like above, then its 99%, or pretty much everyone outside of New England.
     
  21. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    This is starting to sound more like a Black Eyed Peas song than an anecdote...
     
  22. 12to88

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    I can't figure out why the Pats would release that video, unless it wasn't actually their property. Regardless, I think the Pats are only interested in what can be PROVEN by the league, and other posters are right: there is NOT enough evidence for the NFL to slap them with a hefty fine and/or suspensions.

    My point is that such a video, given the circumstantial evidence, is problematic for the Pats in the public sphere. If that video is seen/released, it'll be toxic to the Pats' brand and public image. Because everyone will know what happened in that bathroom. It'll be pretty clear. Just taking the balls in their alone is against protocol. This is why I think the Pats either underestimate or don't care about public perception in this regard. Because the heat will be fierce all off-season if that tape is public.
     
  23. biggbunch68

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    All a cop has to do is say, he smelled a strange odor l coming from your car, or that you are acting suspicious . and he can search it. If they have to they wil;l bring in a k9 unit in to do it. if you refuse they can either ticket u or take u to jail for failure to comply with a police officer.
     
  24. biggbunch68

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    I like how most of the PAt's supporters say " well Brady played better the sec half with the regulation fb" this is true but i believe the Colts have already given up half way thru the 3rd quarter. Hopefully the NFL will look how dramatecly THE Pats fumbles have dropped, into consideration, since they were allowed to bring there own ball's to the game
     
  25. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Yeah. The stupidity of their argument just comes out if you simply substitute the rule they broke with any other rule.

    "We put 12 men on the field when no-one was looking in the first half. But you know what? That 12th guy, he just got in the way most of the time. We played much better when we went back to 11, and consolidated the lead we already had."
     

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