what does our DC think?

i said not very good at it and it's still a drive killer. 3rd and 3 is more of a passing down to me also. that i can get on board with. 3rd and less than two we have a far better chance of keeping a drive alive especially when we have driven the field and are getting near scoring position. you can make stats say anything as you know my friend.

 

anyway back to the thread at hand.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/06/keith-butler-just-need-enhance-matchup-zones/

this was KB's message about our scheme change or no change. maybe more of a tweak.

 

You look good from here

 

For what it's worth, I believe we were pretty good on 3rd and 1 in 2015 and Bryant had a lot to do with that.

 

i didnt have so much a problem with them going deep on 3 and 1, but who they were throwing to, as in Coates. Everybody could see he could not catch after his hand injury, but Ben kept throwing to him and the coaches let him do it.

 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/05/sammie-coates-hand-injury-broke-mentally/

 

bryant makes a huge difference in us doing it too. doing it with a double covered AB or a broken fingered sammie coates or DHB doesn't bring the same effect or results. we stood a better chance with our rb who was one of the best in the league and with one of the best o-lines. as we did on defense, do what you do best.

another thing about 3rd and short was not just the 15 yard pass, thays a lot more doable than the 20+ yard thing we tried in those same situations. the odds over 15 decrease a lot more the farther we heave it in those situations.

 

We are 1 or 2 players away on Defense and those players are DB'S with the ability to play man and zone ....This Team needs to be able to play more man it also needs to make more splash plays ..They also need DB'S who are good enough to make plays on the ball on long throws ..

If we don't get a few more of these guys quickly then Ben will be gone and there will be no long term success ...Now is the time as I think this is Ben's last year and NE will light this D up again...

 

Prior to the draft we were also short at least one olb. We are also thin at ilb. VW is a decent two down linebacker, but we could still use some help there. We also only have one adequate NT. MCCullers is garbage and will be lucky to make the team. So it should be pretty clear to anyone paying attention we are short more than just one or two db.

 

I agree we need help at other positions on Defense as well , but I have always been a Cover first guy ..With more and more Teams going gun and throwing the ball quicker and quicker each year a Defense must be able to go man or man/zone or tight zone to stop the quick throws ..

We don't have that ability, as such all the front 7 help in the world can not give us the edge we need ...Of course we need better pass rushers and more pressure on the QB as I said above though we get that first by stopping the pitch and catch plays,we still can't do that imo...

 

Intriguing indeed.



For me, if I am building a defense, I have to start from the inside out; front seven first and foremost.

 

Sure did. RedZone Efficiency as well.


If anything, I suppose that, should we not knock off New England again this year with a healthy team (assuming we can survive the classic "War of Attrition"), those chants for Haley's departure will get louder. Personally though I will not be one of them unless there are extremely unusal playcalling gaffes.

 

Same here. It all starts up front on both sides of the ball. If you want to be truly successful you have to be solid up front

 

i think alualu helps out a lot this year. walton should also increase what he started increasing last year.

watt and adams seem to be great fits to increase our olb group. i believe we have fixed alot of our up front pressure and the DB group as well.

i have been a fort supporter so far and he is very good in coverage, so i don't think we are empty at that spot either. throw in dirty red in year two and a healthy johnson and we have pretty nice depth inside. not to mention vince looked much better to me last year than ever before.

scheme increase ( more man) should help overall if they pick it up enough to be able to go to it at will and keep offenses guessing. that will be the trick. confuse them long enough for our rush to get there. we are talking one more second of holding the ball.

 

For me though I just want this team to move to a 4-2-5 nickel with four down lineman rather than said formation in 3-4 looks myself.


Ultimatley though, what Dan Quinn is doing in Seattle is also something I would like this team to look at given its success. Then again, we essentially have the elements of those "Seattle Style" defenses but not the systems in place.

 

Yep.



One could have had Deion Sanders, Mel Blount, Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu and we still could have not won that AFC Title game. Those pieces were indeed monumental for their day but the men that played in front of them were irreplaceable.

 

What did Brady do to that solid up front group of the Rats ? He went Gun and threw the ball all over the yard, I don't think they ran the ball 5 times or got under center once ...It all use to start up front, but not so much now days against Elite QB'S with enough skill players to play the quick game simply get the ball out before a pass rusher even has time to get there ....

 

I think the 5-1-5 in the way to go with 2 Safeties and 3 CB'S ...The 2 Safeties should be the new breed guys who can play man or zone and make plays on the ball ...

 

as long as the league allows the pick plays to go on, you are not going to stop those types of offenses PWP. they don't make enough DB's to put on the field to do it. it's not all about better db's it's about what the wr's are allowed to do to get open.

 

we have for the most part. our hybrid is run more than any other defense now. alualu comes in handy as an interior down lineman for us. at least more than big dan ever will. he can play that nose spot if we need him to for periods of time when we do go traditional 3-4 if hargraves is out. he and hargraves can be that player and tuitt and heyward can also play some inside in the hybrid. i think mccullers is on his way out. walton has the size to move inside too in that hybrid. we have a lot more moving parts up front this year to do some different things.

 

This is true to a point , but if you have bigger ,stronger, and faster DB'S you can stop more of those plays than you can with your DB'S out matched by the WR'S in every one of those areas.....

Also a good way to force a Team to not throw that quick pick play is put 1 more DB in the area than the Offense puts targets ....I faced this pick play Offense for years I was around when it was first conceived ..How we worked against it was to put better skilled players and to give them an extra body that they couldn't pick.....This is the way all the Teams who could beat it did it...

You can't play a soft zone against that crap , you must be more physical and take the fight to the targets ...This is why I said above it doesn't start up front against this type of Offense ..It starts outside ....Until a Team can at least match up on 1 side of the field that Team has no shot at stopping the quick offense ....This is the goal take away the 1st. quick read and your chances of stopping the play increase a bunch,then if you can take away the 2nd. quick read your chances of winning on that play are great ..Stop all the quick reads and that's when your D will make those splash plays ...

That O is not designed for the QB to make multiple reads or for the OL to hold up for long periods of time ..In fact most of the time the OL is taught to punch the DL instead of a normal drop step used for pass protection,the reason being is to get the DL'S hands down to enable the quick throw...As stated stop the quick throw and pressure is coming ...

 

You're ignoring the fact they still ran the 25-30 times that game and were playing with a 3 td deficit. They had to air it out to have any chance of coming back.

 

Not that game the game they smoked the Rats I think a season or 2 back they knew they couldn't handle the front 7 and they passed like 60 times and ran it once or twice ...

 

Agree... we haven't had anybody who could play man consistently since Ike Taylor.