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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mac daddyo, May 18, 2019.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    141 catches. Between brown, james, Hunter, DHB and riddley. The last 3 should be no problem. That is a matter of 7 catches. There is a difference of 24 catches between James and grimble with grumble having a slight advantage in yards per catch.

    Making up the catches is one thing if we are going to rely on the run game a little more, but what comes in to play then is the ability of our wrs to block downfield. as far as TE Grimble has a slight edge on James in that category, so that's a push. Wrs though is a pretty important part of the run game. Will we see something like what is being talked about in the run game and a wr by committee approach? Will the better blocker see more field time? We had trouble with this in the past and brought in Richard Mann to fix it and he did. DHB and AB are gone from his teachings. :cool:
     
  2. SteelerGlenn

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    We’ll just spread the ball around more.
     
  3. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    If Ben still has more than 5000 yards, we're in trouble.

    I prefer 4000-4500 yards for Ben with better efficiency as better YPA, better running game and less interception.
     
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  4. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Hell I prefer the 3000 yard Ben with an elite defense and bruising running game lol

    Bettis and Parker where you at?
     
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  5. LoneGranger

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    I'll give 20-25 more catches to Vance MacDonald. He will be the Steelers' on-a-good-year-Gronk with 70-75 catches. Ben has confidence in this guy. Conor can have 15-20 more catches for 65-70 catches playing all 17 games. Ben seems to like Switzer so he gets 15-20 more catches for a total of 51-56. Grimble get James' 30 catches. Samuels get another 15-20 catches for a total of 41-46. Washing ton gets 35-40 more catches for a total of 51-56. Rodgers get 30-35 more catches for a total of 42-47. Moncrief has averaged 40 catches for his 5 years in the league. He should get at least 40 with Ben and the Steelers. Ben and Big Al don't get any catches this year. :hehehe: OK! Deficit erased. So the Steelers run the ball more. So it is easy enough to pare down the number of passes and catches.
     
  6. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    If you only throw 575 times instead of 675 times, at a 65% completion pct, the 141 extra catches down to 75.


    Though I doubt Ben throws less. He doesn't want to, his OC is hand picked and Tomlin won't interfere. Bombs away again in 2019.
     
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  7. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Moncrief 40 receptions
    Samuels 25
    Washington 55
    Johnson 35
    Vance 20-25 more than last season
    Problem solved :shrug:
     
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  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Don't count me among those worrying about AB's departure. Id throw Bell in there but already have a season without him and shockingly (heavy sarcasm there) it resembled the same.

    Ben makes this offense go, not AB and not Bell and he'll be better off not having a whiny ***** in his ear. Look for a more balanced spread the ball around offense.
     
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  10. MeanJoeBlue

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    As others have said, hopefully not 141 passes.
    Throw less, grind the clock with the run, and hopefully be more efficient with both running and passing.
     
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  11. LoneGranger

    LoneGranger Well-Known Member

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    With our defense and league's dynamic offenses the Steelers cannot ground and pound. So whet if the steelers grind out a TD in 7-9 minutes when their opponents simple score in 2-3 minutes.
     
  12. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    If the defence is not significantly improved after all the resources that have been put in there then it will be a huge disappointment.

    I think we have closed a lot of the holes in the defence honestly. Nelson is relatively proven and should be a solid no 2 corner, and Barron and Bush give the Steelers a lot of flexibility. If Layne works out then better again.

    If they don’t fix the issues that plagued the team last year on defence there is no point trying to fix the offence because the team is going nowhere and may as well tank.
     
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  13. turtle

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    Our o-line and stable of running backs is a lot better than our pass catchers right now. Go with that strength and eat the clock as our defense needs time to find its footing. Win-win scenario imo.
     
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  14. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to finally see that 30 points a game that Ben and Haley were striving for. Throwing the ball all over the field won't get it done. You have to have a balanced run/pass attack and a Defense that gives you a short field along with a bunch of turnovers. Sadly, we have underachieving coaching that will not dictate that type of game.
     
  15. Roonatic

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    Flipping the TO differential will be the key to how well this team will be next season. The offense & Ben shoulder this turn around as I don't see too many more turnovers coming from our defense philosophy as it is.
     
  16. MeanJoeBlue

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    I don't know about that last part.
    Considering how few turnovers the defense got this past season, and the number of missed opportunities for interceptions, they are bound to get more defensive turnovers. Probably back to a normal amount, in the low-to-mid 20s.

    Turnovers have a lot of variance year-to-year.
    Look at the Ravens. In 2017: 34 defensive TOs. This past season: 17
    (And their defensive rankings were considerably better, despite only taking the ball away half as many times.)

    Or consider the Steelers a decade ago. The defense was coached by LeBeau, so the defensive philosophy was the same year-to-year.

    2008 - 29 def. TO, 11th in the league for takeaway/giveaway
    2009 - 22 def. TO, 20th
    2010 - 35 def. TO, 2nd
    2011 - 15 def. TO, 28th
     
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  17. Roonatic

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    It just seems we take the 'bend but don't break' to the extreme. Like everyone is giving a five yard cushion to eliminate the big play. Lots of big plays on us in '17, they did improve on that last year though.
     
  18. Vox Ferrum

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    I cannot agree that out RB's are a lot better than our receivers. Conner was brilliant the first half, but fell off the 2nd half of the year (injuries aside), Samuels had very respectable stats, but a very small sample size, Snell has yet to run one down in the NFL. On paper it looks like a good trio, but there are still a lot of if's. The receivers are in the same boat. Ju Ju we have seen, but not as a number 1. Washington started to show flashes, will he grow? Eli before injuries slowed him has shown to be a decent slot, Switzer in a similar vein. Moncrief, decent enough, but will being with Ben make him 'that much' better (I personally this so), DJ's a rookie, MacDonald, can he stay on the field.

    I guess my point is beside the O Line and Ben, this in many ways is a 'new' group. The newness being more will be expected, that answer will come in September.
     
  19. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, plus a couple of more 3rd down stops would be nice. Also factor needing a kicker who you can depend on. We play so many games close (many NFL games are). A few long FG misses in 2017 and the team may have been 10-6, a couple made last year and the team is 11-5 or even 12-4. Were we really a 12-4 team last year, but then were we really a 13-3 team the year before. Record aside, I think we were very average, depending way to much on last minute heroics.
     
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  20. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    We need to replace......the idea that a non losing season is a accomplishment for this franchise.
     
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  21. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    We only need to replace the TDs, not the catches.

    If Vance has 3 catches in a game, but they’re all TDs it’s all good.

    I’m more in favor of focusing on Red Zone production. That’s why I was hoping for a higher round TE. Big target for Ben.
     
  22. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Will they try to use Gentry (our new TE) or do you think they will shelve him this year?
     
  23. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    There's also one fan that should probably be replaced.................... Hot Steeler Fan.jpg :lolol:
     
  24. jeh1856

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    Nope. We love all Steeler fans. Even if they have tattoos.
     
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  25. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    OK Tats, plus she's wealthy - I overheard someone refer to her as the hair apparent ;)
     
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