Watt asks for more clarity on DPOY voting

Fair point but what has he done in those games? Answer: not much.

 

I heard that PFF docks Watt when he drops into coverage on the Pass Rush Win Rate so that further feeds the Garrett is better at Pass Rush Win Rate narrative. Not only that but they do not consider a RB/TE double team as an actual double team. It has to be a OL mixed in. Im sure Garrett gets more of the latter than Watt so that further feeds there narrative.

The tell all with PFF was the way they graded Watt vs Garrett when we played Cleveland in the first game of the year.

Garrett was a 91.7 and Watt was a 82.4

Garrett had 1 tackle and qb hit going against our terrible Oline at the time.

Watt had 5 tackles, 3 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 3 qb hits, 1 batted pass, 1 fumble recovery and a game winning touchdown.

That tells you all you need to know.

 

Yep, You always blame Tomlin anyways, nothing new here.
The secondary was kickinass while Minkah was out. He came back with all his BS overpaid bravado and screwed the defense up.
He embarrassed himself.
his stat line for the season
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I agree Minkah had a down year but it does not reflect the whole story at all.

1. He was in and out of the lineup with injuries seemingly all year.
2. Alot of the secondary problems this year and linebackers were because of so many new guys and alot of miscommunication. I think Minkah was trying to make up for these iniefficeinces and as a result it hampered his game.
3. They played Minkah in the box alot more this year because we didn’t have solid slot play, our MLB’s were a mixed bag with alot of different guys in and out of the lineup due to injuries and our Defensive line didn’t really play that well with Cam hurt and playing injured and Ogunjobi underperforming.

You can’t make a blanket statement about a player without looking at the whole picture.

 

You knows who cares? A person that has been living and breathing football for his entire life from the time he was a child. Working his ass off working out, lifting, stretching, working on technique, practicing, playing games, and working with trainers and his brothers in the back yard. I can tell you never played anything at that level in your life, or you would understand everything that goes into being an elite athlete. When other kids are partying it up, goofing off, and taking weekends off, guys like TJ Watt are working on their game in the hopes that they can get a free education with a scholarship and have the opportunity to get a shot to play pro football. It takes a lifetime of work. This isn't something that just happens. Whatever it is in your life that you have done to earn a living, he has put far more into his journey than you have. It is an all-encompassing endeavor, and it is an ultimate destination that they fight and claw for to become the ultimate version of themselves.

The difference between Watt winning one DPOY award and multiple awards is staggering. It is how you are remembered. It is how you are thought of as a Hall of Fame player. It is how you are ranked as an All-time great.

Many people work at a job for 30 or 40 years and it is considered a lifetime of work. Athletes give up much of their lives to the game chasing the ultimate goal, and it takes decades for them to complete their work. When they are finished, things like winning the Defensive Player of the Year award in one of the ways their careers are judged.

If you don't understand the inner drive that elite people have to be the absolute best that has ever done what they do, it's because you don't care about any goals in your life as much as TJ Watt does. You can't possibly understand how important these accomplishments are. They are a culmination of a lifetime's work, and these awards and accolades define who you are and were as a player.

If you don't think TJ Watt cares about winning, than you know nothing about football.

If you can't see how hard he plays and understand the amount of time and effort that goes into becoming the great player he is, that's on you. It's obvious to anyone paying attention.

If you think that he gives all that effort and has to be stopped by coaches from playing injured in games because he doesn't care about winning, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't have a clue how people like TJ Watt are built and driven to succeed.

Just knowing how important you think winning is, and how you say it's the only thing that matters....don't you think that these players know that the sentiments like yours are how they are remembered and fight like hell for that as well? I know that there are players that are only about the paycheck, but if you think Watt is one of those players, you simply don't get it.

 

The difference that you don't understand is that Parker wanted to run the ball more so he could get better stats. It's a selfish position to have.

TJ Watt isn't saying to play him more, or to drop him in to coverage less so he can have more stats. He is saying that he did everything the team asked him to do and that he isn't being judged fairly by those voting on the award.

One player is being a selfish ass that wants stats and doesn't care if it takes away from the team winning or takes stats away from others for his own rewards. The other puts up stats with outstanding play and doesn't take anything away from his teammates. He actually creates opportunities for his teammates because other teams need to dedicate more resources to try to slow him down.

Your comparison just doesn't apply here. Not at all.

 

One of the few things dumber than judging quarterbacks by wins and losses is judging an outside linebacker that way.

 

I do agree with the offense has worn our D out for the last two years.

 

Qbs should be judged on wins, and losses. Not solely, but it should be a big percentage. I don't think I'm the only one. How many HOF Qb have more losses than wins???

 

I think the Steelers offense in the playoffs shares some of the blame, if the offense could ever jump on a team and get a lead, that would give a player like Watt more opportunities to rush the passer and make plays.

 

I love TJ and he is a hard worker I just want him to show up come playoff time and either because of injury or performance that has not been the case.

 

One of these years hopefully that will be the case before his career is over.

 

0000. ALL PRO or PRO BOWL

Just another reason why these awards and accolades are meaningless. Only one that matters.

 

Your comments about Watt don’t take into account that he has only played in 3 playoff games. One of those he was a rookie and he did have a sack in another one. He just recently missed a playoff game because of injury. You are overplaying your point.

The other issue with all of this is the Steelers had over 40 points put up on them in each of those three playoff games in which Watt played. It is hard to rack up defensive stats when you are playing from behind.

Before you go on about the defense giving up so many points in the off-season, let’s remember that the offense spotted the Jaguars 14 points with dumb turnovers. Likewise, in the Browns playoff game, the offense spotted the Browns at least 14 points with dumb turnovers (Ben had 4 picks that game).

The defense can’t pin their ears back when the other team is running up the score (courtesy of our own offense).

 

Well I guess the question becomes do we try and get something for Watt while he still has immense value to a contending team? We are clearly nowhere near contending so we can win 0 playoff games with or without him.

 

it is worth the discussion

but that will be a problem (contending) as long as 2 things are in place:
1) Kenny is QB1.
2) Tomlin is HC1.


Get a SOLID QB for 2024 and we COULD compete. the roster is good enough - as I said at the end of last year. If Josh Allen, or Mahomes, or 3 or 4 other very good QB's were leading this team, we could get to an AFCCG.

Tomlin holds us back. His player and coach evaluation lacks. Volumes have been written on it.

But - add the right QB this year + HOPE that Smith brings fresh perspective and new playbook + a few new pieces (C, ILB help and secondary help), we COULD compete.

 

The problem is neither of those things are happening so…….

 

i know - it is a colossal problem. it is the NEW Pittsburgh Steelers.

get used to it - Rooney LIKES it that way!!!!

 

Justin Herbert is 30-32 in his career. Kenny Pickett is 14-10. Which one do you want?

 

First of all you act like him not winning a playoff game is actually his fault and there aren’t 10 other players on defense. Secondly the guy has put his heart and soul into being the very best at his position. The bias against Watt and towards Garrett is so blatantly obvious it is rediculous. I saw a play where Garrett when in untouched and the tv host couldn’t stop raving about how quick Garrett was to the QB and how he forced an incompletion because of his freak athletic ability. Meanwhile Watt does something like that and they talk about how the offense failed to block Watt.

How would you feel if you were the top salesman in your company based on volume of sales and the dollar amount of sales but another salesman in your company was recognized over you because that guy generated more sales leads through his cold calling efforts etc. but he didn’t close the sales. Yes people who work hard and put everything into it want to be recognized by their peers for their efforts its part of building a legacy. I am sure Watt desires to have more DPOY than his brother and he probably feels he has had two stolen from him.

 

JH

a TEAM is not a QB.

but you do not understand that.

 

Listen Im not disagreeing that he should have won but with our playoff futility and the fact he’s not won a single playoff game I would rather see him earn that then these awards as a fan of the team. Both would be even better!

 

what you are saying in PART is to GO BIG or GO HOME!

right now, we are just GOING HOME

 

Now go back and look at the post in context and try again. You clearly didn't understand it the first time around.

I posted that specifically as a response to STD's claim that quarterbacks should be judged by wins and losses. Of course, I'd rather have Herbert, but Pickett has the better record.

I look forward to reading your apology for your error. Thank you.

 

Neither. There was a time I would have said Justin, but Justin Herbert has a huge hand in those loses....if You have watched.
You skipped my Question. How many HOF Qbs have more losses than wins???