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Was drafting Pouncey a mistake ?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by PWP, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    I remember on the old board that we went round and round on who we should take... IMO I stated that that was to high of a draft pick to spend on a Center in Today's NFL...

    I wanted to draft a Tackle or a CB ,looking back at it now it appears that drafting Pouncey kind of set us up to take Adams and Gilbert later...

    IMO any time uou have a higher pick we need to pick position value instead of need,, IMO ....

    What do you guys think ?
     
  2. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    I think people give Pouncey alot of grief because he is hurt. I think he's a good center. He's not the all-pro they make him out to be but he's still above average if you can poll all centers in the league. His rookie year or second was his best year and was entitled to the pro-bowl selection. But now I think he's living on hype. But he is still a very good center that we should not let go unless he doesn't fully recover from his knee injury. We can't have pro-bowlers at every position.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I think they need to focus on football instead of being pro- bowlers. of course we may not have to worry as much about age when they're on the lanes. maybe the bus could be the coach. he has at least one 300 game over his years.:eek:

    :cool:
     
  4. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    That you want people to pat you on your back or something.

    amirite?
     
  5. Yogi4

    Yogi4 Well-Known Member

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    Pouncey was a good pick, he is just hurt and has been playing with a crappy line for his first few years. What do you want, the guy makes the pro bowl every year. He'll be fine as soon as we put the right combination together.
     
  6. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Not at all...Wondering if you guys think we should target key positions more when we draft earlier? Even if we don't really need that spot yet?

    Also wanted to get opinions which positions are needed the most ON A nfl team...Mine are LT,CB and then QB.....No need to have a QB if you can't protect him..
    No need to have a Great QB if you can't stop the other Team from throwing the ball at will...Thats just how I see it...
     
  7. SteelerGlenn

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    Show me a position on the team that is not a key position. At the time we needed a center and when you have an opportunity to lock up a position long term you take it.
     
  8. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    And if you take it and ignore the most key positions you end up 0-4...

    Also I wouldn't draft a long snapper,punter, or a kick returner in the 1st. round...As I wouldn't take an interior OL in the top 25 as you can get great ones later IMO...
     
  9. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Picking Pouncey wasn't just a good pick. It was an absolute must-pick. We basically didn't have a centre otherwise.
     
  10. SteelerGlenn

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    I think you know I was talking about the starting 22 positions. Center was a need at the time and we got a good one.
     
  11. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Pouncey was a good pick. Can't account for a couple of the unfortunate injuries he had.
     
  12. ThrowToHeath

    ThrowToHeath Well-Known Member

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    Really? I thought Hartwig was decent. I mean...he was the starting center the last time we won a Super Bowl...

    Oh yea Pouncey was hurt in the Packers Super Bowl too.

    We didn't know Pouncey would be injury prone so it wasn't a wasted pick at all. Hood and Heyward WERE wasted first round picks though.

    I do think very strongly that we should trade Pouncey while he still has some value to him. He is a low salary player that we can get something for without having to eat a bloated contract.

    I am also a strong believer in Velasco. I see fire and tenacity in his eyes. I think he has the potential to be a staple on our line for the future, and resemble some of our good linemen from the past.
     
  13. SteelinOhio

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    Of course not.
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    OK, so I'll go ahead and get myself beat up because saying anything negative about the Pouncey pick seems to draw some fire. I am one of the old board members who was negative on the Pouncey selection. I will admit that he has been better than I expected, but I still don't think that he was in any way worthy of the 18th overall pick. In my view Pouncey is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He is a solid center, but nothing special. Certainly nothing that other teams haven't found much later in the draft. We give up far more up-the-middle pressure with Pouncey in the lineup than most teams. You almost never see Brady, Brees or Manning get pressure up the middle, however you don't see Top 20 picks keeping their pockets clean.

    I will be honest though - my "guys" for pick #18 in 2010 haven't exactly set the NFL on fire either. My #1 choice was Bryan Bulaga, who has turned into a solid RT for the Packers, but hasn't been a star. My #2 choice was Sean Weatherspoon, who has been solid for the Falcons. He was my replacement for Farrior. After them, I liked Kyle Wilson who has never been the player that he looked like he would be.

    In my view, Pouncey's physical skill set translates better to left guard than center. I'd like to see him return as our LG next year, and for us to keep Velasco. I think Velasco is a keeper. He's not great, but in some aspects I like his game at center better than Pouncey's.
     
  15. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    I know this is off subject but I agree Hood and Heyward was a waste. For what we do with our DEs we don't need number one picks at that position. Kiesel, Von Offohen(sp), Smith, Bailey, Harrison, Seals, all was legitmate players and wasn't a first round pick.
     
  16. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. Hartwig cost us a safety in that SB, as I recall, and Darnell Dockett had a field day charging through the middle.

    Pouncey was the right pick at the time. What he's done since then is a different question...
     
  17. SteelByDesign

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    I was big on Kyle Wilson, so glad they didn't go that way. I would take Pouncey over Bulaga or Witherspoon.

    Looking back I'm like man Dez Bryant or Demarius Thomas would look really nice in black and gold right now.
     
  18. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I like Pouncey it was the right pick, but for some reason I feel like his best year was his first year (not sure because if it was because the previous center was just that bad) AND I feel he was going to become an even better player in his 2nd and third year but it hasn't happen. I think the injuries have stifled his growth.

    It may be odd to say this, but I think he is under achieving: he could be even better.
     
  19. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I think that's a fair assessment. Too early to tell whether or not it was a mistake to draft him but his rookie season was by far his best at this point. This year's injury was kind of fluky but he has had injury issues. I hope he comes back healthy and gets his career back on track.
     
  20. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't a wasted pick it was a position of need Pouncey has had some unfortunate injuries.
     
  21. rutan74

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    I don't think Pouncey was a poor pick. As others have said, they tried to fill a need. He also looked like a savior in that first year, but it now appears he is extremely injury prone. Out again this year. Someone who has more stats info can chime in with whether he has missed or played more games. I think it is pretty close to 50-50 if you count in this year, it might even be over 50-50. Not good.

    I'd give it one more year and if he gets hurt again next year for any length of time, his time should be over. You cannot build an offensive unit, especially the line with folks that continue to miss multiple games every year. One or two is tolerable, but when you are missing 5 or more, then you become a liability and not an asset.

    Trading might be out of the question seeing he is always hurt and no team really wants another player that is injury prone.

    rutan
     
  22. thorn058

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    Do you think the pressure Pouncey gives up is do to his skill and athleticism? That is one of the things I noticed last year when Legs stepped in at center was that the pressure seemed to be less. Whether that was because they didn't attack Legs as much or because he stayed home more I don't know. I like Legs at center thought because he didn't chip in on blocks for the guards unless they were in trouble, he held his ground and didn't move into the next level prematurely. I mean it is great that Pouncey can move and there were times I liked seeing him lead Mendenhall down the field but recently he seems to be moving into the second level before the RB is ready and is allowing that pressure up the middle or out of place for a late blitzer.
     
  23. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Perfectly said, if the Steelers would resign him it should
    be at the guard spot. He was getting manhandled at the center position.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think his primary physical limitation is raw lower body power and the ability to use that power for leverage. A center needs to be able to anchor the middle against the other team's zero and one techniques. stand those guys up, and keep the middle of the pocket clean. He typically gets overpowered by those kinds of guys unless he has help. I also question his ability to quickly diagnose where the pressure is coming from if he doesn't have a guy in his face to block at the snap. As you said, too often the late blitzer comes free quickly up the middle and he's not home. I don't want to give the impression that I think he flat out stinks, because that's not my view at all. However, to be worthy of an 18th overall selection, an interior offensive lineman needs to be all-pro, not just solid. I still think that his optimal position is left guard. His physical traits fit that position WAY better than the center position, and I don't see in him the mental game to be a great center anyway. At left guard in a zone scheme, maybe he can be good enough to change my mind about whether he was worth the 18th pick. There's a pretty slim chance of that happening as a center.
     
  25. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I have always seen him as a Guard as well .....I wnted to trade back or up in that draft....18 is to high for interior OL...
     

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