Wallace Has No Plans To Sign Tender

The low success rate is for all long passes, including the ones where the guy is covered, which is most of them. Of course it has a low success rate, or else everyone would do it all the time. But the success rate should be much higher when the guy is wide open. Not 100%, I'm not crazy. But to me, when a dude is WIDE open downfield and the ball is thrown with no pressure on the QB, a completion should be expected. I don't care if the QB is Tyler Palko; if the QB misses him bad enough that either the receiver can't get there or the DB who is much slower and 3 yards behind catches up to break up the pass, then the QB has blown it. Wallace gets so much separation that there is a margin of error for Ben. He just usually can't stay in that margin. Especially in the back half of last season.

 

i gotta say some of it is pass protection. some of it was bens injuries, (from pass protection) some ( from bens own doing, why he's injured). he never knew where the pressure would be coming from or how quick it would get there. shore up the LG spot and get ben used to colon and gilbert on the outsides and his eyes won't have to leave the target as much and a better timed throw can be made. with wallace it's about when he throws the ball. the year before he waited a tick to long to throw it and wallace had to wait on it alot of the time. last year i could see ben trying to get it out earlier on those throws, but if the rush is pressuring him from some spot it takes his timing off and again bad throw. if you noticed, when sanders came back they tried him deep several times as he is also very good at getting behind the db's. the timing was off with him too. brown isn't near as fast as wallace and sanders. he's more quick then flat out fast, but the other two have another gear. we have to shore up the front because ben can't read and proccess things as fast worrying about the rush and yes i think he has become a little gun shy in the pocket because of it. some his own doing though. we have to slow up the pass rush and getting kemo and legs off the field should help. an edge rush is different if there is a pocket to step into. it should have been addressed before wallace was due to leave.

 

After the April 20th deadline the Steeler front office will bring him in and just tell him that he can either play for the measly 2.75million (can't believe I just typed that) and live in a comfortable setting OR get started on the big house and play for another measly 6-8 mil a year. If his agent was looking out for him he would explain that 1-2 more million he may want, would take him 3-4 years to recover. Plus signing bonus.

 

Have you ever thrown a cold/wet football?

Have you ever tried throwing a football 40 to 50+ yards deep against or with the wind?

Have you ever tried throwing a football with 60,000 screaming/cheering/booing fans with their umberallas maybe open?

Have you ever tired throwing a football to a WR (who you seem to think is the fastest man on earth) and is always wide open?

You go outside and try throwing a football 10 yards with a a few people waving and screening your view and see how easy it really is. Especially on a super solid ankle...

On another note, Wallace plays like a pu$$y he doesn't play that kinda football Steeler fans are prone to seeing. I don't care how fast Wallace is. Being a tough/physical/hard working WR will net you alot more TD catches than a speedy, soft, effortless, fragile (fear injury) WR. To think a fan would expect a 20 TD season from a one dimensial speedy wr is kinda funny.

 

Peyton and Marsha can commonly make this throw. That is why Ben will always be a notch below them. Good, but will never be great.

 

So many emotions.

You're right. I am probably not as good at throwing as the best QBs in the NFL. Actually, probably not even as good as the worst QBs in the NFL. Actually, probably not even better than the worst QBs on the worst Division III college team. I guess that means I'm not qualified to decide who is good and who is bad at quarterback, or what should be expected of one. Then again, I guess you could say the same thing as every coach in the NFL. They aren't qualified either.

Wait, I'm confused. Because some coaches used to be quarterbacks. So does that count? How's it work? Tomlin was a WR in college, so he's useless. Haley never played at all, right? What was Cowher, a linebacker? I guess he made the right decision to start Kent Graham then, since Graham could throw it very well compared to him. He must have just marveled at him all day long in practice.

On a side note, since I'm not as good at pass blocking as Chris Kemoeatu, I guess I should apologize for saying he should be cut start lobbying for his return. Thank you for the revelation.

 

, I guess I should apologize for saying he should be cut start lobbying for his return. Thank you for the revelation.[/quote:29n1to1u]


ya had to bring that name up didn't ya? now my whole day is ruined, thanx snack. and the jury is still out on if you are as good , if not better than kemoeatu.

 

Have you ever thrown a cold/wet football?

Have you ever tried throwing a football 40 to 50+ yards deep against or with the wind?

Have you ever tried throwing a football with 60,000 screaming/cheering/booing fans with their umberallas maybe open?

Have you ever tired throwing a football to a WR (who you seem to think is the fastest man on earth) and is always wide open?

You go outside and try throwing a football 10 yards with a a few people waving and screening your view and see how easy it really is. Especially on a super solid ankle...

On another note, Wallace plays like a pu$$y he doesn't play that kinda football Steeler fans are prone to seeing. I don't care how fast Wallace is. Being a tough/physical/hard working WR will net you alot more TD catches than a speedy, soft, effortless, fragile (fear injury) WR. To think a fan would expect a 20 TD season from a one dimensial speedy wr is kinda funny.



Seriously, where are people getting this notion that Wallace doesn't fight for the ball or that he is soft? On what play does he reveal to the world that if he has to work more than a little for the ball it isn't worth getting? I haven't seen it and I want someone to show it to me. For whatever reason people seem to have this preconceived notion that a speedy WR like him is too soft to fight for the ball.

I'm not even addressing the first part of what you wrote.

 

Exactly. I'm not sure where the OP of that was going with his soft, fragile, and effortless comments. Seemed to be a bit harsh to me. I guess one can say Wallace is just a speed guy or one trick pony (which I don't agree) but to say he's a pu$$Y, soft, fragile, and effortless......doesn't exactly fit his description to me.

 

Just saw an interesting tweet regarding Wallace... I expect Wallace to eventually play out the year on the RFA tender, but I doubt he'll be here after that unless Dulac knows something I don't (very possible)...

 

Not only that, but it seems pretty recent. Like, the last two months or so. Earlier in this very offseason I was complaining about people calling Mendenhall soft, and I made a "What's next??" kind of joke and used Mike Wallace as an example, because he had such solid support among fans at the time. Then his contract becomes an issue, and no teams decided to give up their 1st round pick + an extra $50 million for him (which means he sucks and no one wants him on their team!!) and all of a sudden he's soft, can't catch, won't fight for the ball, isn't even noticeably faster than Brown or Sanders... it's crazy. They feed off each other instead of football games.

Wallace isn't an aggressive blocker at all, and I'm happy to give people that, but he goes across the middle and catches the ball there. He breaks tackles and doesn't shy away from contact. This is regular stuff that you see every game. And over the last three years he's made his share of catches for which he had to compete for the ball. But he's not as good at it as the other elite receivers in the league like Calvin and Andre, and so he's a wimp.

 

I posted this on the other Wallace thread, but thought it was worth repeating
I think as far as piling on , we as die hard fans don't like to see any one player step into the disgruntled role. Even if they really are not yet we can smell this kind of stuff and get defensive.

 

Yeah but to call a guy soft and effortless is a bit different in my mind. You can call him demanding or a diva for not signing yet or wanting too much money, but to basically call him junk now (especially when most fans that i've come across were jocking him early in the season pretty hard) seems unjustifiable to me.

 

I really hope this doesn't turn into a Mike Merriweather type situation.

 

everyone should go on youtube and watch the young money highlights and really look at how good these guy are and we have just begun to see what they are capable of. we are not going to break the bank but we need to offer a good amount. he also needs to be alittle flexable if he truely wants to be here. he knows the pinch they are in with the cap right now. 2.7 mil is nothing to sneeze at but the steelers know thats low for him without the first round thingy. they can't play it on the cheap and try to get by with saving some money for one more year since we have his rights. make a high fair offer for this guy, he's a talent. if he isn't close to that then we move on, it will be obvious he isn't overly set in to being here alone. he knows the rest of young money will want paid. if they have good years again this year, they could want near his deal. brown anyway. sanders has to stay on the field and produce if he wants paid much.

 

I saw Schefter report Wallace has no plans to sign until mid-to-late training camp.

I think Wallace could really lose out if he refuses to work out with the team. I can picture it now: He doesn't show until lat in training camp and doesn't know the new offense, he pulls a hammy because he isn't in football shape. Iv'e seen this story before with other players. They wind up fighting the hammy all year and fans start to wonder what the heck is going on? Add to that it could be mid year before he learns the playbook and it could be a huge down year for Wallace.

The FO will point to the down year as reason not to pay him. Wallace can only lose money by not participating and getting into camp.

 

I could absolutely see the steelers reducing his tender if he isn't signed by the 15th. I know I would and if he doesn't like I would tell him hold out until the season starts so we can do this again next year. If he does sign the tender and doesn't show up for camp I'm fining him the max I can everyday he isn't there. Wallace has zero power in this case his bes bet would be to shut sign come in and work on getting a new deal. Soon the fans will be turning on him more then they are now. I personally have grown tired of him

 

Basically a new Offense and there's no Playbook in his hand.
Greed will hamper his performance next season, if he "eventually" signs.

 

You haven't grown tired of Wallace hopefully, but instead of tossing around the speculation about the situation in the media
because Wallace hasn't said or done anything for sure but say he's not signing until he has to.

The Fitzgerald thing came from an "unnamed" source through a writer for the sacamento sun( or something)
Hardly a reliable report, and it certainly never came from Wallace or his agent directly to the media.
I've also never heard a true report of him turning down a contract from the team but I could have just missed it.

It's all just speculation right now, let's wait until he actually starts being difficult, if he even does, before we start hating on him. Why start picking sides between him and brown when we can still have and root for both. I love sanders but to me he's th odd man out right now with the most to prove. It's a leap of faith to think we can lose Wallace and be ok with sanders because we haven't seen enough from him yet.

 

I agree with you 2188, I read that he has said he will not play for that (Tender) money.I like you am starting to not like his tactics if we was unrestricted I would understand some but his hands are tied.
Not having a play book with a new system will not only hurt him but the team.

 

It's not at all a leap of faith to think we can get the job done with Brown, Cotchery, Sanders, Miller and every other WR and TE on the roster. There's enough talent there to get the job done. A lot of other teams get the job done with lesser WR's and less depth at the position.

The Patriots literally had 1 good WR last year and in 2006 they had basically no WR's, yet they still got the job done. If we lose Wallace, we'll be just fine. We'll obviously throw the deep ball much less than in the past, but to me, that's a good thing.

 

I agree 100% .. We have a great team of receivers and while Wallace most certainly brings the deep option and double coverage we wont miss him near as much as some people like to believe.

Bman