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Verdict Is In On Saints Staffers

Discussion in 'General NFL Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Sean Payton- Suspended without pay for one season!
    Greg Williams- Suspended INDEFINITELY.
    Mickey Loomis (GM)- Suspended 8 games.

    The team has also been fined $500,000 and will have to give up its second-round picks in the 2012 and 2013 NFL Drafts.
    In addition, Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt has been suspended without pay for the first six games of the 2012 season.

    Read more at NFL.com
     
  2. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wow.

    And yet cheating gets a slap on the wrist, swept under the rug, and all evidence burned.

    Just saying...
     
  3. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    Goddell comes down on Saints hard

    Payton out for one year. Lost 2 2nd round picks 2012,2013. Too bad for the other black and gold team.
     
  4. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    Waiting to see whats going to happen to the 24-28 players that were involved.
     
  5. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I know I am probably in the minority.... but this punishment seems extreme to say the least. IMO, another example of Goodell out to prove he is without a doubt "The Man".
     
  6. winggin

    winggin Well-Blitzed Member

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    Haha!!! I was about to say the same thing! What a joke of a league. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
     
  7. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    Don't think you're in the minority at all. I think everyone here is pretty much thinking "And how many games was Bellichek suspended for?"
     
  8. DDinAZsteel1

    DDinAZsteel1 Well-Known Member

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    This is absolutely too harsh of a penalty. I would be livid if I were a Saints fan!!
     
  9. aces4me

    aces4me Well-Known Member

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    If you can't understand the difference between effecting the outcome of a game and effecting a players health you need a little perspective.
     
  10. cory_86

    cory_86 Well-Known Member

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    I don't have an issue with the punishment to be honest, supporting a system where players are paid for injuring other players?
    that's beyond sick.

    yes, Bellicheat's "punishment" was a joke, but let's face it - everybody did it back then (didn't it even come out a few weeks ago that the Steelers under Cowher where doing the exact same thing?) and it's a huge difference between taping an opponent's play calls and encouraging and rewarding players injuring other players.

    i have zero issues with bonuses for making splash plays (INTs, TDs, whatever) but rewarding injuring other guys ... no way
     
  11. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    No, the Steelers were never doing "the exact same thing." Similar perhaps, but not as egregious (and not illegal, mind you. A little pertinent, that. Don't let the apologists spin that). Even so, "spygate" was only the tip of the iceberg. Everyone knows that. Radio tampering, communicating the EXACT defensive call directly into the QBs helmet while he was at the line, and many more charges were being whispered before spygate even cropped up (and some even after). The allegations have been out there for years. But NONE of it can be proven now because all of the evidence (which was not allowed to be seen by the public) was destroyed, by the orders of Der Fuhrer Goodell. Swept right under the rug.

    I have no real issue with the Saint's punishment. Encouraging and intentionally trying to injure - possibly even end a carer - is abominable and should be punished. But SO IS AFFECTING THE VERY INTEGRITY OF THE LEAGUE. We have 3 Superbowls forever tainted. And it was treated with a yawn by Goodell. That is the point.
     
  12. NecessaryRoughness

    NecessaryRoughness Well-Known Member

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    I was in favor of the SMU Death Penalty: the New Orleans Saints do not exist until after Super Bowl 47. Cancel their season.

    (I get that it would be a scheduling nightmare. The league also managed just fine when it had 31 teams.)

    So many people try to compare this to what the Patriots did. Suspicion isn't evidence, and all that we know is that they illegally filmed defensive signals during their opening game of the 2007 season, for which they received a harsh punishment of losing a first-round pick. (Imagine if we had lost the opportunity to draft Miller or Holmes. We'd still be tied with Dallas and San Francisco.) If they had been caught cheating during the Super Bowl or filming the Rams practices -- which there is only suspicion of -- then a much harsher penalty would be appropriate. It annoys me that the evidence was destroyed, though. If there was no cheating during the Super Bowl, show us that fact.

    (I, of course, believe that we got cheated out of two AFC Championships and a Super Bowl win against the Eagles.)

    Anyway, even if the Patriots filmed the Rams practices, that's not as heinous as deliberately injuring opposing players. The former affects the outcomes of a couple of games. The latter potentially affects players' health for the rest of their lives.
     
  13. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Comparing cheating to paying for injuries is apples to oranges.

    When will we move on from Spygate?
     
  14. BobbyBiz

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    When will the NFL punish Thuggs and the Ravens for the exact same thing?

    Thats the question I want answered.
     
  15. bettisfan

    bettisfan Well-Known Member

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    I am absolutely stunned!!!! I can not believe that the Saints are getting whacked this hard!!!! Blows me away how soft Goodell was on the Patriots for blatantly cheating to the point of absolutely changing the outcome of games. If "spygate" had happened to any other team in the league you bet yer butt the penalties would have been as strong or stronger than what we are seeing happen to the Saints today. I hate the NFL more and more every day. This only adds fuel to the fire.
     
  16. ScottChab

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    Was there evidence that they were paying for injuries?
     
  17. va.STEEL

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    How many times have you/I/we/usen have said if we can hit a PManning or D.Brees or tbrady hard enough to get him out the game we would stand a better chance of winning the game.Every time i got the chance to lay someone down,I would take it.Every hit had bad intention stuck to it.My intent was to hurt,NEVER to injure.If I can get a rcvr to think about the hit I'm going to put on him instead of his assignment or what he was doing we're 1up,if I get a running back to think of me when he comes thru the hole instead of what hes doing,maybe I get a fumble,we're 1 up.I know alot of you OPENLY/PUBLICLY will disagree with my take on the way the game is played,but oh well.You should NEVER intentionly injure a player,however as a defensive player you should put a hurting on any/every opposing player that touches the ball. :herewego!: :flag: :herewego!:
     
  18. SteelerJJ

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    With all the concussion lawsuits pending the NFL has to show a strong response because the 'bountygate' incident could play into those legal proceedings. As with the head injury issue, the league is covering it's legal behind. My best guess anyway.
     
  19. Venn

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    Aside from losing Sean Payton, I think they got off too easy. I think the loss of the 2013 second round pick should have been a loss of the first round pick. And yes, I already know that they don't have their 2012 first round pick due to a trade.
     
  20. va.STEEL

    va.STEEL Well-Known Member

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    the commish had to do it in an effort to c.h.a.He couldn't see any lawsuits coming in the wake of spygate plus it was his buddy.
     
  21. SteelerJJ

    SteelerJJ Well-Known Member

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  22. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    The verdict is in on the Saints players involved. Punishments are as follows:

    -"Linebacker Jonathan Vilma of the Saints is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective immediately per league policy for season-long suspensions."

    -"Linebacker Scott Fujita (now with the Cleveland Browns) is suspended without pay for the first three games."

    -"Defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) is suspended without pay for the first eight games."

    -"Will Smith of the Saints is suspended without pay for the first four games"

    Read more~ NFL.com
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I heard this on the radio just before. I think it's bs that the players that are now on different teams have been suspended. What the heck did their current team have to do with it? The new teams shouldn't suffer for it. Those players should just be fined, no suspension. Goodell is definitely sending a strong message though, anyone who continues to do this is just plain dumb .
     
  24. Yogi4

    Yogi4 Well-Known Member

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    Karma just was handed out to "Thuggs" in the form of a blown out Achilles.
     
  25. Steel Buckeye

    Steel Buckeye Well-Known Member

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    Holy crap this made me laugh. Forgot about how the ambulance would run players over to get to the injured player. Takes me back to my youth when i would stay up till 4 in the morning playing madden
     

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