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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by STEELWINDS, Jan 24, 2022.

  1. Benny Lava

    Benny Lava Well-Known Member

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    This idea of "honor" is hogwash. NFL teams cut players at the drop of a hat without regard to "honoring" contracts. Players should do what's best for them. They don't care about loyalty to a particular team nearly as much as fans. It's simply a job and their goal is to make money first and foremost.
     
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  2. FosterMorris

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    That was on Flores. Flores from his own mouth talked about moving Minkah around from FS to CB to LB. Also Flores is extremely hostile and several prominent Dolphins were cut/traded even at a substantial loss.

    Patrick Graham seems very even as a man and doesn't get too animated. If Minkah had an issue with Graham it could have been Xs and Os but that would be coming from Flores anyways in terms of overall philosophy and Minkah's usage.
     
  3. FosterMorris

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    To a point. The narcissists hurt teams. Players who only care about money are usually trash.
     
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  4. defva

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    Blount was bad news from the beginning. Preseason, he and Bell, blowing weed smoke out of the car window. Bell, get in trouble because he was driving.

    Bell, wanted more money then the organization was willing to pay. This happen to lots of players.

    Brown, just need help. That blow that he took from burflick rendered more damage then we thought.

    Deebo, was still a force. I don't know what porter was doing. Why wouldn't you play the man?!

    Ingram, is still a force, just like deebo was. You bring him in to play but don't play him. We could've used Experience and a nose for the ball this season.

    Mike Hilton was a force to be reckoned with ... another poor judgment on not paying a player.

    Conners ... is way better then our backups.
     
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  5. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    Bell was cut by the Bucs before that game.

    He also shouldn’t be on the list. He wasn’t under contract. He left as a free agent.

    As far as Harrison goes, that’s all hearsay. Harrison gave a side to the story, that’s it. Bottom line is he gets paid to do a job, the coach determines what that job is, not the player. Nothin was mismanaged, no room for selfishness on an NFL team.
     
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  6. jeh1856

    jeh1856 That was my bed

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    And he lost $
     
  7. THREE RIVER SHIVER

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    Benny your comment is everything that is wrong with the game today. Not enough men who play for the love of the game, but too many immature millionaires doing it JUST for the money....JMO
     
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  8. FosterMorris

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    "No room for selfishness"?! It's professional athletics... :eek:
     
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  9. CK 13

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    And who doesn't care about money? Don't you?
     
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  10. SteelerNole

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    The Harrison thing sure seemed mismanaged.
     
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  11. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    By Harrison
     
  12. thorn058

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    Did you watch Harrison's A Football Life? Several players backed Harrison's story, Porter tried to sidestep it and said he would have handled differently and Tomlin didn't address it more really
     
  13. thorn058

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    In this scenario I'd be fine with the league minimum as it's still rough close to something like 720,000 more than I make a year but I wouldn't turn down more if the had it and wanted to pay me more. I'd like to think if I was a pro athlete the man my parents and grandparents raised me to be would still be at my core. Pay me a fair wage and I will work my til off for you.
     
  14. jrompola

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    Id agree with you if contracts were guaranteed and we didnt see teams screwing players over all the time. Some are immature i'll give u that, but they need to maximize their skills for life changing money over 2 to 3 contracts.
     
  15. thorn058

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    This is also why I don't like restructuring. Yes everyone says it's great you get the bulk of your money up front as a bonus, your cap hit for the year lowers and the team gets cap space, but then you have to do it the following year as well, now you are a soon to be 30 yr old TE who instead of making 2.5 -3.0 million a season like your deal originally is for your base salary has ballooned to 12.5 to 13 million and in the back of your mind you have to do the math and say they save 7.5 if they cut me, no way they are paying a 31 year old TE nearly 14 million a season. It's a wonder more players don't ask if there is another way to help the team that doesn't involve making themselves more attractive to being cut.
     
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  16. KMM

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    Agreed. Why should players demonstrate loyalty when owners don't?
     
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  17. Steel Hog

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    Doubt it, he should just be thankful we saved him for an unbearable career death and out of that polluted hell hole.
     
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  18. steelersrule6

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    Ingram was playing quite a bit at the time he asked to be traded, I think his problem was sitting behind Highsmith. Harrison wasn't getting the snaps because they had two first round picks at OLB. They couldn't afford Hilton especially with the cap being reduced by 16 million in 2021.
     
  19. JackAttack 5958

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    Harrison gets a pass by virtue of the the fact that he made the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history for the Steelers which was as much a part of winning that game as the Ben TD pass to Holmes. He and Holmes both earned their lifetime Steeler stripes irrespective of how their Steeler careers ended. The others, in spite of some great regular season performances, can go suck an egg! :threaten:
     
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  20. STEELWINDS

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    Hey Jack.

    Absolutely 100% agree on both Harrison and Holmes. Unfortunately, Holmes was another that just could not keep himself out of trouble. Nonetheless, he too has earned a lifetime of free passes for criticism as you outlined. The play of each of those two in Super Bowl XLIII was undoubtedly some of the greatest to go down in Steelers' History.


    STEELWINDS The East Side Kid
     
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  21. STEELWINDS

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    Hey rel.

    As stated in this Thread (somewhere) I realize that he was not under contract with us at the time. He was in a state of "limbo" per se. It was his week-to-week updates of him intending to sign his one-year contract and dragging us along for the ride. Unprofessional. I stated numerous times that I liked bell and was even willing to bring him back. However, that all changed for me when he played for the rats for a short time. Once you go there, no matter what you have done for us, you are on my crap list. I can tolerate the exodus to any other team but the rats, no way. All the good that he did here was wiped out by that move.



    STEELWINDS The East Side Kid
     
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  22. STEELWINDS

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    Hey KMM.

    It is funny how the world of sports seems to be the only profession for some around here (not picking on you KMM) that gets that "it is okay" to not honor a contract. I get it about the owners, but it happens in all facets of work. Teachers, Doctors, DPW, Restaurants and on. Again, for me, it is about integrity and finishing the job up on a high note. If the boss wants to take the "low road" then so be it. I was hired to do a job and sometimes that job description changes. It may not always be to everyone's liking. However, I will stay the course (within reason) and do what is best for me and those that I was hired to work for.

    An example. I was hired as a Computer Teacher but one school year, one of the math teachers got ill. Also, being a certified math teacher, my boss stated that he needed me to fill in for a "few" weeks but it ended up being almost an entire school year. Yes, initially I was "steamed". The school's computer department and all that it serviced our school was completely put on hold until that teacher returned to work.

    I had enough sick days and then some to sit out the year or wait until the teacher healed and came back to work. However, the children would have suffered as well as the school overall as it was difficult to get substitute teachers in our school district. I turned a "negative" into a "positive" and committed myself to learning as much as I could about the newer math curriculum and the latest state math assessment. In the end, I proved instrumental to help elevate our school's state math test scores but more important, it helped the overall "team" (school). It all worked out after I got over the initial "p-oed" time period. Hey, that is me and how I view these things.



    STEELWINDS The East Side Kid
     
  23. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    He never actually said he was going to sign, it was "reported" by "sources". Bell actually stayed quiet throughout the process which was shocking.

    As far as the Rats, I can assume you feel the same way about Rod Woodson.
     
  24. STEELWINDS

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    Hey rel.

    I am pretty sure that bell did make comments about when he was coming back to sign the contract. As far as woodson, you are 100% correct about his situation. You want to play for the purple puke that is your prerogative. We all approach fandom in our own way. I do not care what he did during his time in Pittsburgh. He is banished from my Steelers' fandom list for that move. I have nothing but pure disdain for the rats.



    STEELWINDS The East Side Kid
     
  25. SteelerNole

    SteelerNole Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion, or were you there?
     

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