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  1. Jball

    Jball Well-Known Member

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    I'm tired of hearing how they re-signed Gentry.

    First off, it's a one year deal! That shows serious commitment. They must REALLY love him! And, having Gentry on board for 4 years wouldn't stop me from drafting this monster. He would change the whole offense.

    Second off, Heyward is not a TE. They gotta dump Watt already. Sorry TJ but he's out. Use Heyward as your FB/4th RB/H-back/TE/WR. Perfect job for him and he'd love it!

    It's a no brainer!
     
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  2. SGSteeler

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    You're right about the Gentry signing not making a difference on whether or not they take Washington. However, Heyward IS a TE. If Aaron Hernandez was considered a TE, then so is Heyward. Their size and usage are SUPER similar. They get split out, inline, sometimes in the backfield then split out, etc. Now, is he as good as Hernandez was? Remains to be seen. But he IS a TE and a weapon that can be used in ways that cause problems for the defense. You just wouldn't ask him to do the same things as Muth.

    As for Washington, he's an interesting evaluation. I think his numbers will be much worse in his career than some people think, but I still think he will be an impactful player. He's not a guy I could ever see getting 50 catches in a year or anything like a true #1 target at the TE position. He isn't going to be the next Kelce or Andrews. He just wont be able to get the separation in the NFL to do so because of his size. However, I do think he could be a real asset in the red zone and the power running game. Will he help the team score points? Hell yes. Will he put up big numbers in his career? I don't think so. 34 catches for 400 yards and 8-10 TD's and a top 5 rushing offense would be a perfect year for him.

    The only issue I see with drafting him is that we will be in an awkward situation 4 years from now. He wont be a true #1 elite TE, but he will be very valuable to us. We will want to keep Muth around (and rightfully so), so how much $ could we really invest at the TE position? Some other team would likely be up for paying him and trying him as their #1 TE and premier target and he'd get more in FA than he would signing to split time with another really talented TE. IDK. Or he's better than I think and we just lose Muth to FA? It's a weird situation. Not the worst conundrum to have too many good players at one position... but still something to think about.

    I won't be upset if we take Washington. I think he'd be horridly over-drafted at 17. I could stomach 32 but wouldn't be in love with it. 49 and I would be just fine with it. Who knows if he's there by then though... I think we have much bigger needs, but I do think he could help the team.
     
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  3. steelersrule6

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    Why would they bring in a bunch of top 10 guys in for a visit? They would only have a chance at them when trading up, they saw Paris Johnson and Broderick Jones at their pro days.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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    I’d rather have LaPorta. It’s still an offensive league and LaPorta and Muth would be a heck of a lot better tandem.
     
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  5. SGSteeler

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    I don't know much about that kid. I'd prefer we didn't take a TE at all, but I wouldn't throw a fit if we did depending on the player/position in which they were drafted.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

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    Some wont like him because he is a bit undersized but he’s a weapon especially after the catch. If you want two TE sets he can attack all areas of the field. Him and Muth would create a lot of mismatches.

    I agree that I don’t want them to draft a TE but if they do, I hope he is the one. Well, Mayer is my favorite but he’ll be gone in the first.
     
  7. mac daddyo

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    not if you plan on running the ball. that's washingtons greatest worth first. receiving is just an addition to making the offense better where he would be a mismatch because of muth taking a safety at least to cover. the 2nd TE wouldn't be down the field as far and would be matched up on a LB mostly. now mayer could really do both. muth gentry or heyward are not near the weapon for our running game that washington would be. receiving is just the icing. good TE's can do both. if muth goes down as he did last year, gentry aint the answer. :cool:
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

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    It’s not like Muth and LaPorta can’t block at all. And it’s not like they would have no running game without a great blocking TE.

    They have improved the line quite a bit and the ground game had already come to life late last season before these moves were made.

    I’ll take two receiving TE’s, still a passing league and would be more beneficial to our young QB.
     
  9. mac daddyo

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    to each there own but it looks like we plan to run a good bit. game of inches. :cool:
     
  10. S.T.D

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    I actually hope We are as balanced as possible.
     
  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Just like the teams of the 70s, the defense dictated how we played it. They want to load the box then we throw it, they back off and we run it. The balance was that we could do either just as well. They had a we can play it however you want attitude. A strong run game helps the passing game. A strong passing game can help the run game. A TE like him would help both. What's to argue? Help the offense. We need to have balance in the draft to have a balanced team. :cool:
     
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  12. Brice

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    Correct. That is why I think the only player that is involved in a Steelers trade up is CB Gonzalez.

    All the other top 10 type players were not invited to Pittsburgh for an interview.
     
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  13. Steel_Elvis

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    They’ve made 1st round selections without inviting a player for a Top 30 visit. The key to look for is bringing Tomlin and the GM to a player’s pro day, with dinner the night before being a plus. Paris Johnson (my trade up target) fits that pro day/dinner scenario. Tomlin and Khan were also at Jones’ pro day and brought him in for a visit. I think he’s a candidate as well.

    The team had very light attendance at Gonzalez’s pro day (I think just one scout). It would not bum me out at all if we move up a few spots for him, but doing so would break the trend.
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    mazi smith as well. pro day and dinner. :cool:
     
  15. mac daddyo

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  16. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    If he’s the pick at #17 I will be pissed. Day 2 talent IMO.
     
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  17. mac daddyo

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    i think 32 most likely. i think paris, porter (if gonzales) is gone, banks, branch, brodrick, mayer are all in play in the first.

    mazi, harrison, nolan smith, simpson, forbes, washington, ringo, wright in the second. :cool:
     
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  18. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I guarantee you that Mayer is not in play for us in the 1st.
     
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  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    didn't he visit? why waste a visit if he's out of the picture? no way he drops to the 2nd. i highly doubt that. :cool:
     
  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    he sure seems to play bigger than his weight. quite talented. i really wouldn't have a problem if he was it. he should be able to shut down his side of the field. the problem may be on those pick play screens where he would have to fight through a block. :cool:
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not on the list that I’ve seen. I think that Washington was the only TE visit.
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i was wrong. they met with him at the combine. :cool:
     
  25. S.T.D

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    Or very late 1st round. IMO.
     

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