Tomlin

I just mean in general. You don't notice that Tomlin is the new recipient of FMTI movement? Of course that doesn't mean all fans, there are fans on this board that never blame the coaches, for them it's the players but the larger group falls into the blame the coaches game. I fell into the FBAI camp last year, I didn't like the way the games were being called, I'm not part of the FMTI camp though but clearly he is the new target.[/quote:1sq4lm92]

I'm not necessarily part of the FMTI group yet, although I think it's coming in the next few years. I just don't think he's a very good coach. He's probably a very good DC and perhaps will make a good head coach in time, but he makes too many mistakes, is too hands off at times, is too buddy buddy with the players at times (including giving Ike a high five after he just cost us the game), and there doesn't seem to be any accountability in Pittsburgh anymore. Guys are constantly showing up to camp out of shape, which is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. Suspensions should be handed out for guys that do that, but nothing happens. They eventually get into shape by playing football, rather than by working out in the off-season. Look at Woodley, every single year the guy shows up out of shape and it takes him half the season to get going, and he usually ends up with various injuries that are clearly the result of lack of conditioning.

I remember most of us remember the Shanahan - Haynesworth issues in Washington 2 years ago. It was very public and very messy, but Shanahan did what needed to be done to change the culture of that team.

Tomlin needs to take a stand once and for all. He has never taken a stand on anything. He didn't take a stand on BA, we all know that. In fact, BA was on the NFL network today talking about his exit out of Pittsburgh. He said Tomlin told him on Friday that he was the greatest coach in the world and he would be back, then on Monday he was told his contract was not being renewed. Tomlin either doesn't know what needs to be done to fix issues that come up, or he doesn't have the parts to do it.

 

I'm not necessarily part of the FMTI group yet, although I think it's coming in the next few years. I just don't think he's a very good coach. He's probably a very good DC and perhaps will make a good head coach in time, but he makes too many mistakes, is too hands off at times, is too buddy buddy with the players at times (including giving Ike a high five after he just cost us the game), and there doesn't seem to be any accountability in Pittsburgh anymore. Guys are constantly showing up to camp out of shape, which is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. Suspensions should be handed out for guys that do that, but nothing happens. They eventually get into shape by playing football, rather than by working out in the off-season. Look at Woodley, every single year the guy shows up out of shape and it takes him half the season to get going, and he usually ends up with various injuries that are clearly the result of lack of conditioning.

I remember most of us remember the Shanahan - Haynesworth issues in Washington 2 years ago. It was very public and very messy, but Shanahan did what needed to be done to change the culture of that team.

Tomlin needs to take a stand once and for all. He has never taken a stand on anything. He didn't take a stand on BA, we all know that. In fact, BA was on the NFL network today talking about his exit out of Pittsburgh. He said Tomlin told him on Friday that he was the greatest coach in the world and he would be back, then on Monday he was told his contract was not being renewed. Tomlin either doesn't know what needs to be done to fix issues that come up, or he doesn't have the parts to do it.[/quote:31i6kjqs]

Tomlin has flaws, one of them is that his clock management sucks, I think another may be that he gets too close to people. Makes it harder to make tough decisions or it just clouds his judgment and he doesn't see the problem in the first place. He also may have believed in regards to BA that they just needed to tweak some things, like scoring in the redzone, I mean without looking up the numbers we did move the ball fairly well between the 20's, I think. Who knows but overall, I believe he is a very good coach and will only get better. His resume speaks for itself, I don't buy into the silly "he won with Cowhers team" line of thought.[/quote:31i6kjqs]

How is that silly? 2008 was basically still Cowher's team. I could have won a SB as the head coach of that team. Besides, it's been stated that Tomlin has been very hands off with the defence and he has allowed Lebeau to more or less have 100% control in that regard. In 2008, our defence won us the SB. Ben had a good game and had a great game winning drive, but if not for our defence, we don't even get to the playoffs, let alone SB. How does Tomlin get any credit for that? What exactly did he do? The more players we lose from the Cowher era, the worse we get as a team. I don't care what our record was last year, we were a terrible team. Most overrated team in the league I think. We're no better this year and might even be worse.

 

Tomlin has flaws, one of them is that his clock management sucks, I think another may be that he gets too close to people. Makes it harder to make tough decisions or it just clouds his judgment and he doesn't see the problem in the first place. He also may have believed in regards to BA that they just needed to tweak some things, like scoring in the redzone, I mean without looking up the numbers we did move the ball fairly well between the 20's, I think. Who knows but overall, I believe he is a very good coach and will only get better. His resume speaks for itself, I don't buy into the silly "he won with Cowhers team" line of thought.[/quote:2ekvjnkt]

How is that silly? 2008 was basically still Cowher's team. I could have won a SB as the head coach of that team. Besides, it's been stated that Tomlin has been very hands off with the defence and he has allowed Lebeau to more or less have 100% control in that regard. In 2008, our defence won us the SB. Ben had a good game and had a great game winning drive, but if not for our defence, we don't even get to the playoffs, let alone SB. How does Tomlin get any credit for that? What exactly did he do? The more players we lose from the Cowher era, the worse we get as a team. I don't care what our record was last year, we were a terrible team. Most overrated team in the league I think. We're no better this year and might even be worse.[/quote:2ekvjnkt]

So coaches don't do anything in your mind? Just field a good team and you don't even need a coach? Why did Cowher go 8-8 the year after the SB? Same players that just won a SB could only win half their games. Norv Turner was handed a 14-2 team that was one play away from going to the SB, hows that worked out for him? It's so absurd to try and discredit that Tomlin has been to 2 SB's and winning one of them. It's just irrational fan talk, really is shaner.[/quote:2ekvjnkt]
Ok I think Tomlin deserves credit and I'm with you Tomlin about this. There was definitely a lot of people on the roster that Cowher had but there were also some play makers Cowher didn't have. Lamarr was one of Tomlin's picks and he forced the game sealing fumble. Joey Porter was probably the star of Cowher's last D and Tomlin NEVER had him. The 2010 team that Tomlin took to the Super Bowl had Wallace, Brown, Sanders, and Mendy. I personally think Woodley is the best pick Tomlin has had and I think most of his defensive picks have not panned out like we hoped they would. But I do give Tomlin credit for beefing us up on the offensive side of the ball through the draft. Do I think Tomlin is a better COACH than Cowher? No I don't. But I don't think we should be saying that Cowher didn't have some behavioural issues too. Ben was told by him to wear a helmet on his motorcycle. Did he? I DO think the players had more respect for Cowher as an authority figure though.