Tomlin

i think he will have this season and the next then if miss playoffs in both he will be gone

 

Coach Cliche at his finest, You better right this ship and Quickly
because ART II is watching and he will ship your ass out of here QUICKLY.
You aren't messing with Dan Rooney now, It has been what 6 years and you and
your staff have made terrible player evaluation choice's which have caught up to us.
I certainly hope Art II sets down and has a serious talk with you about how you and Colbert
are running his team.

 

I agree I just think people believe that we have a lot more talent now than we did then....IMO this leads to Tomlin abuse....I can kind of seee their side ,,esp if you look at Talent in key spots cmpared to the Cowher years...

Well IMO we don't have as much overall talent and another huge factor is the new NFL....Our guys can't hit...Not in practice and not in the game.....DB'S can't even touch a WR....And in the Cowher days it was real Football both guys could hand check and body each other and as long as the DB didn't rxceed what the WR was doing then it was a no call for the most part......

I hate the Fantasy rule as I call it .....No contact from the DB after 5 yards or it is a Automatic first down....Who cares if the WR runs into you or pushes off or has been hand checing you the whole first 5 yards...To me this is BS....

To protect the game and to keep it fair their should be the very same rules for the WR'S....If the NFL insist on the 5 yard rule then if the WR is at fault then that Teams goes back 5 and they loose a down...

 

Giving up all these 4th quarter leads I believe are due to conditioning. I put that on the coaching.
I also question MTs brains when I heard he really wanted to bring vick in and was overruled by Rooney. This team has many needs, m vick ain't one.

 

All I know is that there are only a few players from the cowher-era left and now the team is falling apart under tomlin.The players that colbert/tomlin has drafted are either cut,soft,or injured.No bonefide studs.

 

Freak, I'm with you on this, when you have this many injuries and look slow, fat, and out of shape! I think we need to ask (What the h-ll is going on here) We got to be leading the NFL in injuries. Do you think maybe we should change something here, like conditioning training or the S & C coach ?

 

True for the last 3-4 years under Cowher anyway. There were a lot of these same conversations going on back when QB's like Rich Gannon were throwing 50 times per game and the Steelers D could not stop them at all. There were quite a few people calling for Cowher's head. Heck they were doing it in 2005. Check this out. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/spo ... 2/?print=1

 

Freak, I'm with you on this, when you have this many injuries and look slow, fat, and out of shape! I think we need to ask (What the h-ll is going on here) We got to be leading the NFL in injuries. Do you think maybe we should change something here, like conditioning training or the S & C coach ?

 

that's what wrote deljzc (one guy with always agree ) in another forum



It's about time someone takes a hard look at why this guy is our strength and conditioning coach.

Why was the previous coach (Chet Fuhrman) fired when Tomlin came in even though he had a very successful 16-year stint with the club and was only 55 years old? This despite the fact most of the assistant strength and conditioning coaches were retained?

Giemont was also FIRED from his previous post in Tampa Bay by Jon Gruden (not released in association with a coaching change).

I'm sorry, but I have to question this coaching hire by Tomlin. It obviously looks buddy-buddy because both worked together in 2004-2005 but Giemont hasn't done anything with players to make me think we are a better conditioned team as compared to the Cowher era.

Is Woodley better conditioned than he was as a 2nd year pro? What about Timmons? Heyward, Hood?

We look stronger, but are we better suited for NFL football? I don't think so.

This is not my area of expertise in any stretch of the imagination, but the results kind of speak for themselves, right?

 

Yes, this year's draft was so horrible, hence why the forum was so defeatist, negative and not at all bigging up our chances this year in preseason.

Oh, wait...

And I'm not sure about year-in year-out, but I wouldn't presume we're the only team with injury woes. Food for thought: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1364 ... -struggles

 

I remember thinking in early 2000 that Cowher's days were over. Anyone else remember that year of the failed Kent Graham experiment? That was a nightmare.

Anyway, Cowher righted the ship that season (nearly made the playoffs, last team to defeat the eventual SB champion Ravens) and led them to a 13-3 record in 2001. Lesson: don't panic becuase of bumps in the road.

So why am I and many of us panicking?

Though Cowher was sometimes prone to bad losses (he lost to three expansion teams: 1995 vs Jax, 1999 vs Browns, 2002 vs Texans), his Steeler teams generally imposed their will on lesser opponents. I think what has us concerned right now is that there is no "will" being imposed. From the day Tomlin was hired, the identity of the Steelers went into limbo. Both Cowher and Noll took the job with a philosophy in mind, for better or worse. When Cowher took the job, he cleaned house and started anew.

When Tomlin came in, he kept most of Cowher's coaches and promoted others. Good move? Well, a year later they won the title. BUT...I remember sitting in my living room when it was announced that leBeau would stay, thinking: "This is good for the short-term, bad for the long-term." Sure enough, Tomlin doesn't seem to have any philosophical approach. He came in as a Tampa 4-3 guy and then ditched that belief. Why?

The problem is that Tomlin appears to mold a team the players want and not the team he wants. There is lack of leadership, objective, clear philosophical approach.

 

I never have felt warm and fuzzy about Tomlin, but he's always got the job done with winning seasons and Superbowls. I do think the Steelers could be better with a different coach at times, but we could also do worse. I'll keep supporting Tomlin until the Steelers have trouble winning for more than a season or two. Or for five games to start a season.

 

Lets get to the facts about Tomlin: We all want to see him do well and be a sucess for many years in the NFL. For thought who ride the bandwaggon on how Tomlin "took" us to the Super Bowl, you need to rethink your comment and make it realistic and say "Tomlin went along to a SB with a Super Bowl team he was given and in place".

Over the past 5 year we listen to Tomlin droan on each week speaking of the deficiencies we already know exist on all sides of the ball, each week nothing changes and has become progressivly worse. All teame in the NFL are affected with injuries, so using the sideline's group of injured players is a non factor, all teams have them and drafting and developing good players is how most teams over come injuries, which had also has been in decline on Tomlin's watch.

Most of us remember the physical play of the Steelers years ago teams were intimidated, not anymore, we are being actually whipped on all sides of the ball, we actually look weak not to meation a team which seems to have no direction, focus or dicipline, penelties mount sustaining drives and making us look like a team without leadership on the field as well as on the sidelines, Tomlin looks lost and clueless on how to fix problems, which are the same problems he has talked about for 5 years. This team looks like a Chinese fire drill full of inconsistiant players and plays. Each week we hold our collective breath to see who shows up to play.

I have come to the mindset that Mr Rooney has actually made coaching changes we have seen and put Tomlin's name on them to save his image. I think we need to brace ourselves for not seeing the Steelers in the playoffs and not be so shocked if we dont reach 500.

 

amen brother. i think MT is just a young head coach that is learning the job. he just doesn't know all sides of it yet. he won with these older guys and doesn't want to give that up because now it's on him to build and he just doesn't know how to fix it.

 

I agree, Mac, that there's a learning curve going with Tomlin right now. But at the same time, I love the inconsistencies on this board. In another thread, there's a whole load of talk about how bad the 80's were. Injuries were rife, we were relying on older guys to carry the system, and our adaptation seemed slow. So I presume our HC must have been awful back then? Oh wait, no...

I don't get all this about how we're "only barely beating teams that we should destroy," either. Perhaps I've been watching different seasons to other folks, but we've pretty much run it close for the past ten years or so. To re-has one of Deljzc's arguments from the old board:sSeasons where the balance tips in our favour, we've done very well. Seasons where it hasn't, we've finished so-so. But that's just the way the team has played for a long time, now (for a variety of reasons). So far, I think we're seeing one of those seasons where the balance isn't tipping our way; but this is coupled with some notable players under-par, either due to injuries, lack of focus, or whatever.

 

I'm pretty consistent in my blame/hatred. I haven't liked Tomlin for years now. I blamed him for many of our problems last year, and yes, that includes our offensive problems as he was too hands off and allowed BA to do things that were hurting the team (including getting Ben killed because of all the 7 step drops). Just because I blamed BA, doesn't mean I also didn't blame Tomlin.

 

To get back to a question posed earlier in this thead: "If Tomlin finishes under 500 in 2012 and again in 2013 is he gone?"

Normally, I would think the answer is no, barring horrendous back-to-back 3-13 seasons or something.

But... it ain't the '70s anymore. Art II is in charge and he may well see the world differently than Dan and Grampa. Owners around the league has less patience than ever, I'don't know why it would be different here. And coahces are different these days, even the good ones don't still around in one spot for 10-15yrs anymore. They get burnt out, they want to go elsewhere, they want to take time off, they want to go on TV.

Say the Steerlers finish 8-8 this year, and 7-9 next. I'm not sure that gets Tomlin fired, but it might make Art II and MT agree to part amicably.

 

I don't think they will get rid of Tomlin after two under .500 seasons if he continues to run the team as he has.

The Steelers continue to make money, so Tomlin will stay. The Rooneys run the Steelers as a business than other owners, they are used to having a couple bad seasons. With injuries and salary cap it is the nature of their business. Tomlin will stay unless he tarnishes the Steeler image which he doesn't. He is a classy face for the Steelers.