Tomlin/Colbert

So they were talking on a sports show lst night, abt How there should be internal moves made at the Steelers this off season, They Said Tomlin / Colbert should most Def be on the hot seat considering the lack of playoff wins the past few years( 5-6) with all the talent this team has,..Talked abt how Steelers Where all in for a SB this year, with the moves they made, (trading pick's.)... then not putting the best talent on the field.? ect,ect ...... I kno we talk abt this every year, But i think this year there could be some real changes this year ..

 

I think the old mentality of playing front 7 first has to go .. I am not sure why this Team thinks they can win without good DB'S ? Whatever change that needs to be made to change that view needs to be done ...

 

For completeness sake, here are the successive seasons without a playoff victory (post-merger):

70-71 (Noll)
80-81-82*-83* (Noll)
90-91-92*-93* (Noll/Cowher)
98-99-00 (Cowher)
11*-12-13-14*(Tomlin)

* team made the post-season but didn't win a game

So, yeah, this could be unchartered territory: five years without a postseason win.

Other interesting tidbits of info, all post-merger to reflect conference-based approached to playoffs:

Noll 1970-1991 (22 seasons)
post-season success rate: 12/22 (54.5%)
percentage of seasons with a post-season win: 40.9%
percentage of seasons winning division title: 42.9% (no division titles awarded in 1982 due to strike)
Home playoff record: 8-2 (.800)

Cowher: 1992-2006 (15 seasons)
post-season success rate: 10/15 = 66.7%
percentage of seasons with a post-season win: 53.3%
percentage of seasons winning division title: 53.3%
Hone playoff record: 8-5 (.615)

Tomlin: 2007-2015 (9 seasons; numbers reflect potential of missing post-season in 2015)
post-season success rate: 5/9 (55.5%)
percentage of seasons with a post-season win: 22.2%
percentage of seasons winning division title: 44.4%
Home playoff record: 4-2 (.667)

 

Going all in is trading a 7th round pick for a Kicker and a 5th for a CB ?

 

The biggest problem I have is with KC and his BPA crap . It used to work fairly well , but Teams are targeting types of players and it is leaving less skill at those positions . Him being affraid to reach has left are roster pretty bare ...He seems to be an addict to me. Step #1 is to admit that you have a problem. I don't see him and Coach T accepting this reality ..If they would just admit this D sucks to themselves then maybe they would target real talent in the Defensive Backfield.

I am 42 and thinking of working out and walking on. I am 6-2 215 lbs. and still run a 4.48 forty . I worked out a bit with the HS Wrestling Team the other day we ran some 40's as a challenge.. The point being I know I am old and all but washed up , but the Talent level on this Team is just as bad as a old Washed up CB from 20 years ago... I should never be able to watch tape and think hell I think I could have played that better than him... To me that is the problem there are a many of old Football players that feel that way . Granted it is probably not true , but the fact that goes through your mind play after play and game after game and year after year is a very huge problem....

 

i'd like to add:

noll SB wins 4 (4-0) 100%

cowher 1 (1-2) 50%

tomlin 1 (1-2) 50%

 

True.

But here's where a deeper analysis is necessary:

Noll came in with the cupboard completely bare and built a championship team from scratch. It's still amazing what he did.

Cowher took over a mediocre team that had gone 25-23 over the previous three seasons, 1-1 in the post-season, and faced the NFL's early stages of free agency (with no real salary cap), which seriously handcuffed the Steelers in the mid-90s.

Tomlin took over a team that had gone 34-14 over the previous three seasons, 5-1 in the post-season, with a Super Bowl win.

 

Make a clean sweep and fire both of them, we need new inovative football minds to instill a new direction and responsibility to the players, and to build a team with talented players, and get rid of the non performers we seem to have on our roster..........

 

Not to mention Tomlin inherited a championship caliber defense already in place.

 

The fact that this roster has a lot of talent on it doesn't say anything bad about Colbert in my opinion. I mean, Bell in round 2, Brown in 6, Bryant in 3, Sanders in 3, Beachum at 7, Wallace/wheaton round 3... We do just fine with talent. Kc happens to have an area of weakness at identifying corner talent

 

i agree. cowher sort of handcuffed himself at times on the qb situation. he was a run the ball play defense type of coach. that was his bread and butter. i don't think he valued qb's very highly. he did build some good defenses.

MT also walked into this with a franchise qb.

 

Make that late round corner talent. I think we see a concentrated effort to nab some corners in the higher rounds in the next couple drafts. Golson may very well be our best pick in the past draft. Not what you look for in a true #1 but I think he'll be a quality corner.

I think Colbert is very safe.

 

I think Tomlin and the FO became lazy. The plan for Tomlin has been - hire a top OC and give Ben some weapons and let Ben carry the team. Well history has proven you cannot win with just a great QB. You need an average defense. You need to game plan. You need to play mistake free ball. Our game plans have been laughable and when ever we go up against good coaches we get schooled. One dimensional ball rarely works consistently. Only a few teams in NFL history have won playoff games with that lazy mentality. The Rams and Ravens SB wins were flukes. Dan Marino never won a SB. Favre has 1. Elway never won until a good coach showed up and installed a good running game and a solid defense.

IMO Haley is really the HC. If you ask anyone on this board they'll tell you that Haley's game plan was horrible. Our offense failed us cause they didn't score 30+. Well what the hell is Tomlin in charge of? I think the FO thought TOmlin would come into his own and eventually take this team over... that hasn't happened. This team is like the Cowboy's after their 90's run. Jones hired coordinators and some guy to wear the HC hat and they floundered. Lack of leadership, accountability, and poor direction have lead this team loaded with talent to mediocrity. When things got bad with Cowher or Noll they took the bull by the horns and made changes. Cowher learned how to run an offense. He learned how to run a defense. Anyone comfortable with Tomlin taking control of either? Tomlin isn't even ok with that.

 

Exactly. Steelers would be stupid to let Colbert go. He wouldn't be jobless for long. A lot teams wish they had the Steelers talent pool. Problem is the coaching.

 

The only first round picks the Steelers with Colbert have missed are Ziggy Hood and Jarvis Jones. And they aren't complete busts.

That's a pretty good record and we are all aware of the late round finds and UDFA contributions.

And people can complain all they want about the secondary but Colbert brought in an All-American CB (albeit short), Mitchell last year who has greatly improved, Boykin who has played very well when not benched by Tomlin etc.

Only 4 teams in the NFL have faced more passes than the Steelers.

The Steelers game plans in no way, shape or form attempt to protect a vulnerable secondary. Even the Steelers scoring drives are 3-5 minutes long. The other team gets plenty of chances to come back. If the Steelers air it out so do their opponents.

 

Haley the HC that's laughable, he can't even come up with a good gameplan when defenses take away the Steelers deep ball vs the Ravens yesterday and the loss to the Bengals.

 

I haven't been on the fire Tomlin bandwagon and was ready to completely burn it from the garage until yesterday happened. The Steelers have had some bad injuries but most of them are on the offensive side of the ball and for the most part the offense has done a good job of replacing those players. The defense has been pretty much healthy outside of Golson and they have been brutal especially against the pass. Yesterday they couldn't stop the pass against a QB that had only been with the team 12 days. Let that sink in. That is about 6 practices. To learn a completely different playbook and cadence.

As a coach myself why would you let someone get comfortable and allow him to complete easy passes and build up confidence? Why not make him throw it downfield? I am so frustrated with the bend don't break defense especially when you have been absolutely torched by it the past several weeks. I don't see how you don't come out with a gameplan similar to the 2nd half of the Denver game. At times I wonder if it is just me but I wonder about the ability to truly build a winning gameplan. Maybe Tomlin is truly a coach who reacts more than plans when it comes to football. So he doesn't have a set plan in place until he sees what the opponent is doing. That would explain the great 2nd half adjustments.

I would have played press coverage and blitzed the heck out of Mallett. I would rather have him burn us deep on a couple of bombs than carve us up with the dink and dunk. I view it similar to a pressing full court defense in basketball. You might get layups against it but because of a little bit of success you are going to now start to play at my pace and tempo. Eventually our press works and takes you out of your game.

Maybe I am just a super frustrated fan because I thought this offense could carry us to a playoff win or two. It looks like instead this team will be sitting at home after next week.

 

I'm pretty sure Ben had plenty of short and intermediate WR's open on nearly every play. Ben always wants to throw the deep ball and he has just recently been trying to force deep balls more then he ever has. Not sure why but the point is, the pass plays called were not the problem...and if they were... I do believe we have a head coach who's suppose to manage the game with his coordinators.

You think Bellicheat just lets his offensive coordinator run the show? If his OC isn't managing the game the way he wants - you think Bellicheat just points the finger at his OC and says "it's his fault!" ? I don't think so. I also don't think that's the case with our offense. If it is....then another reason Tomlin needs to be replaced.

Oh and BTW Haley's offense has pretty much broken most of the steelers records and I believe ranks in the top 5 in scoring and #3 in yards.

 

Ben had guys open underneath all game long. But lately he seems more intent on pushing it further and further downfield. There were several instances shown during the game in which he threw into coverage with guys underneath wide open. If you dink and dunk enough that might open up the deep ball but if he had taken the easy stuff yesterday may have ended differently. I don't think the issue was the gameplan so much as the execution. Haley's offense has been pretty tough to stop this year.

 

I have come to the conclusion that the Steelers are happy with the status quo and that they will
tell you they were just a few plays away from making the playoffs. I personally get tired
of this line of bull $hitting.Tomlin will lose us 2-3 games a year.

 

Did you really say Colbert is afraid to reach? Archer was a reach, many considered L. Jones and S. Thomas a reach. I'm sure there's more.

 

Clearly we have a talented team.... So I seriously doubt anyone is going to be questioning KC success rate at the end of this season. And Tomlin will get a pass due to the major injuries we've endured all season long.

As much as we fans want to place blame.... This season could be blamed on individual performances and execution just as easily as anything else. Neither of these guys are going anywhere this year.