Tomlin and the HOF

The vets committee has literally had decades to put in LC, and they haven’t done it. Why are they gonna do it now?

 

The new sacks stats that were published recently may help his cause.

 

Noll's players were also a apart of the core that lost the 94 AFC Title Game and Super Bowl XXX. Again, not sure where you are getting at with the "Won with X Coaches Players" narrative here. Even Bill Belichick had Drew Bledsoe and Ty Law; two players he did not draft. One of those two is in Canton and the other is indirectly responsible for grooming that guy who is now down in Tampa Bay.



In addition, the whole notion of "Coach A won with Coach B's Players" is more old than the Jurassic Period.

If anything, that is an excuse used for those who would rather despise to admit that said Coach A did something that Coach B could not.

 

Not wanting to steer @SteelerGlenn original point of this thread, but why aren't the likes of Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and even Pete Carroll not held to the same form of critique that Tomlin is?! Each of these aforementioned coaches have had far worse records, have handled specific aspects far worse and possessed better overall chances than Tomlin ever did... yet all at one point or another came up short. Despite this, Tomlin's Resume has often been constituted as a failure by some Steelers Fans; something I have not the foggiest as to when that originated from.



If having 16 trips to the Playoffs, Two Super Bowl Appearances and 14 straight non losing seasons constitutes as a failure for one of the flagship Franchises in the NFL, what constitutes as a success; doubly so in the salary cap era?

 

Oh I am aware!! Just making a statement as to how other coaches are far superior yet possess far greater blunders; Carroll's Super Bowl Blunder and how no one here is talking about how McCarthy is arguably the greatest underachieving Coach within the past 40 years (a very valid argument that I can easily make).

 

"Alexa, show me someone who doesn't understand the hurdle of overcoming average QBs in playoff games."

Ben vs. Tebow, O'Donnell vs Humphries

12-4 vs 8-8, 12-4 vs 11-5

This one is easy, folks. When you argue with the person instead of the point, you end up soiling yourself like Blast is here.

 

6-pt favorite. 11-pt favs the next year vs. Indy.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199501150pit.htm

Contrast with being a 7.5 road favorite, and that's like -10.5 at home:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201201080den.htm

 

Don't you mean 16 times in a playoff stadium? This is his 15th season. He was 8-5 in the playoffs at one point. It sounds like you are saying Tomlin's coaching has maximized the Steelers rosters. The only issue I have with Tomlin is the end of season finishes and/or ill-prepared playoff games in the past 10 years.

 

He has played a total of 16 playoff games, breaking even.


Regardless, I do agree with the failure of preparations of some games.

 

I just wish certain people had the guts to be honest.

 

Gruden won a Superbowl with Dungy's players.

 

Dungy couldn't get er done.

 

might have to do with expectations. In Pittsburgh winning seasons are not enough. Now that's probably unfair but the standard in Pittsburgh is super bowl wins. The talent that Mike has had over the years has been very good. I can't explain the playoff slides over and over. I've said elsewhere on this thread he's a lead pipe cinch to make the hall of fame. Many coaches never get to the superbowl less make it twice. It's just the failures in the postseason that are glaring to me. Otherwise there's not concern of him getting into the hall. Ben hasn't played great in some of those losses either.

 

And?

 

Dungy got it done with the Colts.

 

So far he has the same resume as Cowher, so I would say yes.

I want to add, after seeing Shell tonight, I think LC should be in there too. He should be the final 70s player to get it.

 

Hines Ward. So glad Troy mentioned him.

And yes... Mike Tomlin is a definite lock for the HOF. Just wish he would prepare the team better for the playoffs.

Jim Mora should be in HOF for his post game speeches.