Tomlin and his staff

fitchner was an MT hire.

 

To me, it's about how the team plays. Tomlin's teams are characterized by...1.losing to (or struggling against) bad opponents...2. Committing stupid penalties and turning the ball over.

 

Telling it like it is, and Oh so true.

 

I think your on to something 12 to 88 . He is in WAY over his HEAD.

 

morning how many Woods

are on the team

 

No maybe or probably, if MT didn't want any of these guys they wouldn't be here.

 

Give Tomlin Tom Brady and the offense will be better.

Give any coach Ben Rothelisbeger and the offense will remain an enigma.

 

i said in the original post that if they are a .500 team again this year than the Rooney's need to take a good look at making changes. i didnt say make a change now.

 

i never said the defense is the reason this team is not winning. i said this defense makes no big plays. that fact cant be argued. they dont get to the qb and they dont create turnovers. the offense wasnt very good last year, but how many times did they have a short field to work with. sure the defense didnt give up a bunch of points and forced punts, but that always put the offense in a position where they had to go 80 yards to score.

all im saying is that the defense needs to do a better job at making plays. if you cant see that than you have no credibility and you are just drinking the koolaid.

 

I dont happen to love the current coaching staff. I am disappointed by how we PLAYED last year as a team. Obviously, I hope that I am wrong in doubting them and they have a great year. I think that is what every person on this board wants and doubting the coaching staff doesnt change that. No one on this board is a bigger fan than the rest of us on here. Its a message board. A place to voice our opinions. If we all said the same thing this place would be pretty boring.

 

Haaaayyyy.... Haaayyyy.... Now!!!!
You just quit it with that "common sense" stuff...
Or I might have to organize a petition to TTF to Ban You!!!
HERE WE GO STEELERS!!!
HERE WE GO!!!

 

What???

 

I think some of the criticism levied at Tomlin is justified. Last year it seemed that the team came into games flat and unprepared. We seemed to play down to the level of the competition. We never seem to have that killer instinct like the Pats do for instance. When they get an inferior team down they go for the jugular. The Steelers, under Mike Tomlin, seem to let inferior teams hang around until the 4th quarter and the it seems that inevitably we make a mistake and they are lining up for the winning FG with 8 seconds left! I believe that the Rooneys brought in Todd Haley to be the HC of the offense in much the same way that DL is the HC of the defense. I don't believe the Rooneys think Tomlin is the kind of coach that can strategize and develop a game plan like Bill Belichick or Sean Peyton for instance. That's okay and some HCs like Tomlin can be successful as sheer fundamentalists as long as they have strong technicians and strategists as coordinators. I've been a Todd Haley supporter but so far his offense has been a major disappointment. That needs to change THIS YEAR! If not, he and Tomlin both may be feeling the heat!

 

I do think the Rooney's would throw Haley overboard WAY before Tomlin.

 

I don't care who you are, it's gotta be rough being an OC for the Steelers.

 

Well, it's true that I'm drinking Kool-Aid because I don't agree with you. No denying that.

Yeah, what a pain in the ass that is, when you have the ball, but then lose it, but then get it back with no consequences. Or when you score and then get the ball back without the other team having scored in return. Oh, and how far does the offense have to go when the other team scores? Isn't it around 80 yards? I love big plays as much as everybody else, but if you're going to complain that "all the defense does is stop the opposing offenses from scoring and advancing", then you might as well complain about our offense the next time we put up 40 on somebody, because they did it all by scoring fast and not keeping our defense off the field. "Way to go, offense. Sure you made it so the other team would have to score over 40 points in order to beat us, but by doing it so efficiently, you gave the other team an extra 5-10 minutes to do it! That puts a strain on our defense. The strain of having to do their job under easier than normal circumstances!"

But you're right. Sorry Offense, all we did was make is so that the number of points you needed to win was a very low number, and then give you the ball so you could score. We now recognize that it's unfair to expect you to score even a low number of points in order to win a game. We should be doing better by more frequently doing half of your work for you.

Love,

Defense

 

Dang Snack! Tell us how you REALLY feel!

 

I think Ben has shown many times that he can be really accurate when he can plant his feet and throw it. I think the fact that he's sort of a "live by the sword and die by the sword" gunslinger like Favre might cause some people to think that he's not that great of a pure passer. I think he is a great pure passer though. I'm one of the few that like Tom Brady on here (or to hear BobbyBiz tell it I have a huge bromantic mancrush on him. lol.) but if Brady had to deal with some of the lines Ben has been dealt he would be modeling right now for a living. Ben is a phenomenal athlete and our offense runs through and because of him.

 

I agree that Ben has shown the ability to be a great passer. The problem is that he didn't show the ability to be a great passer on a consistent enough basis. Ben did a lot of things well. He just doesn't do those things well enough on a consistent enough basis. The way Ben plays hasn't been conducive scoring a lot of points on a consistent basis. Ben's inconsistent style is a big reason what that's been the case. It is what it is.

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that, BFT. They may go down together at the very least. Not saying that the Rooneys wouldn't cut bait with Haley, but he is most definitely a Rooney hire. Anyone here believe Haley was truly a Tomlin hire. Anyone? Don't be shy? I also believe that BA was a Rooney fire. I don't think any if us believe that Tomlin fired BA (or asked him to retire - lol). I think the Rooneys were a little frustrated with Tomlin's perceived tardiness in making the right personnel decisions. Another issue is Tomlin's seeming inability to coach his players up and, YES, THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE HEAD COACH'S RESPONSIBILITY! We've got several high round draft picks on this team that are not living up to expectations at this point. Colbert's not blameless here either. His last few drafts have been somewhat disappointing at this point, especially first and second rounders like Hood, Heyward, Gilbert, Adams and Sweed. The players that are still here need to start performing THIS YEAR or several people in the Steelers organization may be called to the carpet! The Rooneys are the most patient owners in the NFL, which works in Tomlin's favor, but Dan Rooney is getting up there in age and I'm sure his patience will grow a little thinner as his life grows shorter. I'm sure he'd like to win another Super Bowl or two before the appointed time and I think that may be why it seems the Rooneys have become more assertive in team personnel decisions. The naysayers can say that was all Art, but there is NO WAY Art influenced Tomlin to make any personnel move without Dan's endorsement.

 

Yeah I agree that it was the Rooney's who got rid of BA and wanted Haley. I also agree that we've not had a lot of success on some of the guys we've drafted lately. Hood and Heyward are the biggest ones I can think of. I just flat out wish that we would stop drafting these 4-3 guys if DL is gonna stick around. I know Tomlin wants to change but do you think we will lose Butler if Tomlin insists on a 4-3 since I'm assuming Butler is a 3-4 guy as well?

 

Say what you want about Cowher getting us there but not finishing the job, your right but you cant say Cowher teams weren't physical and that Cowher that didn't hold players accountable, most would rather bury themselves at midfield rather to face the wrath on the sidelines.

The Rooney's have painted them selves in a corner with the Rule that bears their name. Regardless of what Tomlin accomplishes or doesn't accomplish the Rooney's can not fire him because of how it would look in the eye of the public. I have always thought that behind closed doors the departure of Cowher and the hiring of Tomlin was pre planned. Tomlin was set up for success which many fail to see by saying how Tomlin led the Steelers to the SB, not thinking at the Steelers went and Tomlin just went along. Tomlin's table was set for success. Now the Cowher influence and most draft pics have gone, your seeing an all Tomlin team now as well as the results, a team in decline.

The only way that the Rooney's can remove Tomlin without it appearing the Rooney Rule has failed in this case for public and fan outcry or Tomlin steeping down without front office intervention. All fans want Tomlin to succeed, but like me are tired of the talk no action plan he has had since being here.

 

The league was a different league when Cowher was coach. People remember what they want in regard to accountability. I can name a few players that were not held accountable according to some people's ideas of accountability in the Cowher era. It's difficult to hold grown men accountable with so much money on the line. Coaches can't just cut or bench players for every mistake. That being said, Tomlin and the organization held players accountable at times. Maybe more so then when Cowher was the coach.

The organization can fire Tomlin any time they want. It would be dumb to fire him like some fans want. I don't think anyone is going to suggest the Rooney rule will have anything to do with Tomlin's fate if the Steelers turn into a consistently bad team and noncompetitive team. They haven't been consistently bad under Tomlin. What they have been is consistently competitive. Why do people believe the team is on the decline? I guess fans believe the team is on the decline every year they don't make the playoffs or win the SB.

What type of action do you want to see?

 

Butler started at linebacker on the seahawks for 10 years in a 4-3 defense, that experience should give him a perspective into both the 3-4 and 4-3 and he can most likely coach both defensive alignments at a high level, which defense he prefers would be a good question to ask him, but I don't think he would have a problem being the DC for either defense...