Todd Haley top candidate to replace Cardinals' Ken Whisenhunt?????

The guy who works next to me is a colts fan and we have spent many a day talking about this. I credit BA with alot namely knowing to be hands off with Luck the way he was with Ben. He has the same approach there that he did here. That being that there is no such thing as throwing too much. Does Luck walk on water? No but from what I have seen he does have skills that I haven't seen in a rookie QB before. He has thrown as many as 3 picks and shaken it off to come back and throw some accurate passes to rally his team. I have watched enough of him to know that he is making up for a lot of shortcomings on that team, namely when they lost their starting RB as well as losing Fleener for several games. I give credit to the Colts FO and BA for knowing that with a Vet like Wayne you get him in open space and let Luck sling it to him.

I was never a hard-core BA basher I just didn't like the holes in his gameplan and how he approached prepping for a game. So when I say I wold reevealuate my opinion of his coaching it is from that perspective.End of the day I want to see how he does without a top talent at QB and see how he leads an offense before I say anything about how good a coach he is.

 

Here's why I credit BA. He's smart enough to know that great players make average coaches look great. He hitched his wagon to Luck just as he did to Ben and made a point out of running an offense to the QB's strengths versus trying to force fit the QB in to some damn system they wouldn't be able to execute well. I don't understand why some people haven't figured out by now that Ben will be Ben no matter who the OC is. Constantly trying to make him in to something he's not ie, premier student of the game and top notch "System" QB like a Manning or Brady simply isn't going to work folks and when you're paying the QB $100M that's going to trump the OC every time. The smartest thing Hailey could have done this year was give Ben more say / input in to the offense just like BA did. Yea I know, some will hate that suggestion and say that was the problem when BA was here. To that I can only say BA was smart enough to know he couldn't compete with $100M and if you can't beat 'em join'em

 

1 how do you know haley didn't ask ben to have some input on his offense ?
2 the way ben was play under arians was leading him to be last a couple of seasson alive at best
3 is so out of sense try to upgrade his football life and his football iq ?
4 at least if you want ben sacked 50 times a year we need to manage to find a reliable replacement since the chance he will get injuried during the season are more than 50%

 

No one is..

 

What qb for a long time owned the rookie record for picks? Peyton Manning. Who was his qb coach? Bruce Arians. What rookie qb led the league in picks this year? Andrew Luck. Who was his OC? Bruce Arians.

 

BTW Luck was sacked 41 times this year. Sound familiar?

 

and in the playoffs. sound familiar? oh and by the way we gave up 37 sacks this year. not a big difference there either.

 

Dude so you just disregard everything I just told you about his stats and how there is a pattern to BA's stupidity? BA said himself that the reason he takes this approach to qbs is that he almost "ruined" Peyton Manning. Well if he stays with the Colts he will definitely RUIN Andrew Luck. Luck doesn't have the luxury that Ben has and that luxury is the Rooney's. The Colts owner is not smart enough to know that teams win in SPITE of BA. The Rooney's were and that's why he is not here anymore. I saw an article that said "The Colts offensive line woes continue" and I thought "huh that's weird because when Peyton was there he RARELY got sacked." So WHY would the Colts line look so bad??? Oh yeah! Because they have a guy calling plays that constantly break down and there's no way to hold a block for that long and that consistently. You can NOT deny what I am saying. Not ONLY does BA make good qb's seem average. He ALSO makes good o lines seem horrible! Our line looked fine under Haley until people started getting hurt. But Ben was sacked WAY less times this year. There was actually talk around here that our line had turned a corner. The reality was that an offense had been put in place that kept a qb upright most of the time and had him getting rid of the ball and not taking a beating. Once again I'm grateful to the Rooney's.

 

Sports outlets here in the Phoenix area are reporting that Todd Haley is down the list. All indications point to Ray Horton getting the job.

Expect Haley to be back.

 

I hope he is back. Of course he kind of came out of nowhere to become the Steelers OC last year.

What is the appeal of Ray Horton? I thought he absolutely sucked as a DB coach when he was here and what has he really done as a DC that gives him any credence as a head coaching candidate?

 

He's a former Steelers coach that's all you need to be a great pick for the cards. If Haley had been here three years he would be there top candidate.

 

Actually he didn't say that. The quote you're looking for was in regards to a player at Mississippi State, Peyton played at UT.


By the way the COlts GM brought in something like 3 free agent offensive linemen and 4 rookie offensive linemen in 2012.

 

wow, that's all i can say to you, and it's not worth my time to argue with your demented thinking.

 

No arains did say that he said that was when he was in Indy he tried to change manning.

 

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Now that Ben is older and beat up, he needs to get rid of it quicker. He could get away with it back in his puppy years, but not now. This is why Haley was brought in, to protect Ben from Ben

 

"demented" LOL. I am eeeeeevil as Skeletor would say. What is there to argue? Are you arguing that Luck DIDN'T lead in picks? Are you arguing he DIDN'T get sacked over 40 times? Are you arguing that we DID have more sacks under Haley than under BA? Are you arguing that our line looked better under BA? Are you arguing that the Rooney's DIDN'T fire BA? Just one question I would like to know from you. Do you wish that we still had BA? Also I just wanna say that I have nothing against you personally and I enjoy reading your posts especially about cap issues but in this case I just think you're dead wrong. Nothing personal though and no had feelings. It's just a healthy debate as far as I'm concerned. But I can honestly say that I've made a case against BA that's pretty solid and I just don't think you've made one at all for BA.

 

No I'm suggesting that Ben LOVES the big play. Why get 12 yards and a first down to Heath when you can hold onto the ball and scramble around for another couple of seconds to allow one of your speedy receivers to break open for 40 yards and a possible TD. Ben stopped playing disciplined football late in the season and the results were disappointing.

 

Yeah Ben wasn't right when he came back. I think we'll all know this for sure if he winds up getting surgery.

 

ba has the records to prove his offense can work. the sacks are partly ben and partly the line. ben can be his own worst enemy at times. luck is a rookie and their line was revamped, without much of a running game. BA wins games. no i didn't still want him. the rooneys as you say are vastly diminished from what they were. art is a whole different type then dan or any of the other brothers. dan wanted a run game thats effective. did he get that with haley so far? BA is not near as bad as you make him out to be. taking over head coaching duties is nat as easy as you think making his job alot harder with a totally revamped team. not to many coaches can do that or have done that in a years time.

 

But he could sling it 60 yards downfield on a line? I can't buy that one, TE.

And I don't necessarily think he was ignoring Haley. Ben has multiple options on each pass play and I think it's just in his DNA to try to make the big play and sling it downfield. He just seemed to me to lose some of his focus and discipline later in the year and the result is a no fun playoff weekend for us Steeler fans.

 

Ben spent a lot of time running for his life because the original plays broke down. BA reminds me of Mike Martz. It's just bombs away all the time. There seemed to be no rhyme nor reason for what BA would do. With Haley you can at least see what he would like to accomplish with his play design. I remember after the last big play of SB 43 when Ben was asked about how he manages to stay with a play he said that he just went in to the huddle and said "scramble left, scramble right, get open, break!" It was obviously a joke but there is some truth to the fact that Ben was constantly having to run like crazy. I believe if BA goes to San Diego you will see what we would've looked like if Ben didn't have his scrambling ability. Rivers can't do that and if you put him in a system that requires a qb to wait for the play to develop WAY down field I think you will see how destructive BA's system really is. Luck has some legs on him too. Rivers doesn't. The one thing that Haley's offense seems to have is a great 2 minute scheme and I would like to see some more of that implemented in to the overall gameplan. If we can actually settle on a rb I think we can establish that too.

 

ben likes the deep ball. he had alot to do with BA's offense looking as it did at times. remember the 4 games ben was out because of georgia? BA put in a good gameplan. ben came back and we threw the ball all over the place. the sacks were not much different with haley or BA.