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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    While we are all surprised at the recent moves the Steelers have been making, it actually has been going on over the past 2 years.


    From Kaboly:

    • Acquired Minkah Fitzpatrick in a trade with Dolphins, along with Miami’s fourth-round pick in 2020 and seventh-round pick in 2021 in exchange for the Steelers’ first- and fifth-round picks in 2020 and sixth-round pick in 2021.

    • Traded Josh Dobbs to the Jaguars for Jacksonville’s fifth-round pick in 2020.

    • Traded Jerald Hawkins and a seventh-round pick in 2021 to the Buccaneers for Tampa Bay’s sixth-round pick in 2021.

    • Acquired a sixth-round pick in 2019 by sending Marcus Gilbert to the Cardinals.

    • Acquired third- and fifth-round picks in 2019 by sending Antonio Brown to the Raiders.

    • Acquired Ryan Switzer in a trade with the Raiders, along with a 2019 sixth-round pick, in exchange for the Steelers’ 2019 fifth-round pick.

    • Acquired safety J.J. Wilcox and a seventh-round pick from the Buccaneers for a sixth-round pick in 2018.

    • Traded Martavis Bryant to the Raiders for the No. 79 pick in the 2018 draft.

    • Traded Ross Cockrell to the Giants for a conditional pick in the 2018 draft.

    • Traded Sammie Coates and a seventh-round pick in 2019 for the Browns’ sixth-round pick in 2018.

    • Acquired Vance McDonald and 2018 fifth-round pick from the 49ers for a fourth-round draft choice in 2018.



    They also signed Haden, Nelson and of course, the big draft move to get Bush.

    Don't forget about Colbert and Tomlin's contracts, that isn't business as usual either.

    Lot of people been asking why, one explanation could be they are trying to win within the remaining window they have with Ben. Or maybe they feel the Steelers way isn't working anymore.

    So when people say they would never fire Tomlin, keep in mind, the very uncharacteristic way that they have been operating lately.
     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    As I stated before, desperate times call for desperate measures. At this point, the same old routine is going to become dated. Both Tomlin and Colbert must see this as such. Why else would they enact on such an aggressive frenzy as of late.


    A welcome change for me personally. It could also pay dividends later down the line (namely talking about Minkah here). However, this also could mean that their view of the 2020 Draft Prospects is not too high to begin with the same thus far.
     
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  3. Da_Cranberry

    Da_Cranberry Well-Known Member

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    You know what else has changed, the post and attitude of our fanbase. I’m definitely more aggravated and show little patience when discussing Steelers stuff.

    Maybe I’m too passionate IDK, but I’m blaming everyone and fighting about stupid things because there isn’t anything positive to talk about. We’ll see where all these moves take us. I can tell you one thing, if we lose to the bungles I’m going deep in the woods and chopping a tree down with a fork until I don’t have any energy left to care.
     
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  4. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Can I join lol
     
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  5. Da_Cranberry

    Da_Cranberry Well-Known Member

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    I just assumed you will be at the next tree already lol
     
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  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    The vannett move isn't included in that first post either.:cool:
     
  7. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    You know... the internet is a big place. There’s probably another message board out there for tree forkers to share their... umm... affection for the forest.
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If they want to put an exclamation point the new way, they will make a coaching/GM change :eek:
     
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  9. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    yup, that will truly show they are willing to do what it takes.
     
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  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    At least one in-season change can be done without major disruption: let Austin take over the defense. Keep Butler as OLB coach for the rest of the season if he doesn’t want to leave. Just for the love of god do something to ensure that we’re not always having unfavorable matchups being dictated to us.
     
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  11. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    As I said, all for it! :drinks:



    Time for some change!
     
  12. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    Great read thanks!

    I honestly believe that after Ben threatened retirement there was a come to Jesus discussion, to address exactly that...."win while I am here!" Which is why Ben was vocal about them turning around and using a draft pick on Rudolph.

    I don't think they will ever fire Tomlin but not because of the Steelers tradition of not firing coaches. I believe that the Rooney name stands for "hire minorities" and if the Steelers fire Tomlin, the media will have a field day with it. They will be crucified for talking out of both sides of their mouth and the media will sight Tomlin's overall record, his coaching in two Super Bowls, his handling of AB and LB, etc., etc., etc. I just don't believe that Rooney would ever fire a minority head coach.
     
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  13. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    I agree somewhat with your first paragraph but the Steelers have fired minority coaches in the past. I think it's more Ben being good with Tomlin holding them back.
     
  14. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    I honestly can't say I recall the Steelers handling of minority coaches but the point I was making is that the "Rooney Rule" is about head coaches and I don't believe Rooney would ever fire Tomlin. He is too motivated by political correctness.

    Remember, the Rooney Rule, while it says minorities in coaching, it is about black head coaches.

    Excerpt from Wikipedia: Its purpose was to ensure that minority coaches, especially African Americans, would be considered for high-level coaching positions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The Rooney rule just ensures that minorities get a fair shake at interviews.

    Tomlin has been here for 12 years, they could part ways with him without anyone batting an eye.
     
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  16. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    The Rooney rule was created in response to multiple black head coaches being fired in 2002. Although it uses the words "minorities" it is clear that it is targeting the promotion of blacks to head coaching positions.

    You would hope that after 12 years it would not matter but I'd be willing to bet a sizable amount of money that the media would blow it up like they blow up anything and everything to get a story rolling.
     
  17. AskQuestionsLater

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    Holy cow!!! You are not kidding!! Preach man preach!! :herewego:
     
  18. Iowasteeljim

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    I know losing your franchise QB is a huge blow to any team, but at this point, I don't know how you argue for keeping some of our current coaches. By this point, our woes are more due to coaching issues than they are to not having enough talent. As for the Rooneys being scared to fire a minority coach, wouldn't it be just as questionable to retain a less than stellar coach only because he is a minority? A good coach stays, a bad coach goes no matter his race, religion, sexual orientation, or fetishes (looking at you Rex). Doesn't get much more fair than that.
     
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  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, to ensure they get their foot in door by being guaranteed an interview.

    From your own link:

    There may be a schmuck or two that would say something in the media but for the most part, it wouldn't get any attention. They interviewed him and then kept him for 12 years and they kept him when many other organizations wouldn't have.
     
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  20. mytake

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    13 years with Tomlin is long enough to give credit for following the Rooney Rule. Most head coaches are fortunate if they make it to the end of their first contract, no matter what their racial status is. The media in general will not crucify the Steelers when Tomlin is dismissed because they are seeing what the standard has become. It is too bad Tomlin hasn't grown in the area of X's and O's, or hiring coaches with those skills, because he does have other strengths that should have brought more championships to Pittsburgh.
     
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  21. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    I hope you're right! A....I hope they fire him so we can find out and B.....I hope it isn't an issue in the media.
     
  22. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    Well said! Tomlin has had ample opportunity to build a legacy which would have people talking about "the Tomlin coaching tree" for years to come....he has failed.
     
  23. steel machine

    steel machine Well-Known Member

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    he kind of coached in 3 Super Bowls. Not a head coach for Tampa Bay but their defense kicked ass that year in the playoffs and good old Mike was defense coach.
     

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