Time for the Tomlin discussion

Part of my love for the Steelers come from the ownership. I like how they have some longevity with the coaching. I get the business end of things.

Basically the fan base has this discussion every year. I foresee a change with assistant coaching but Tomlin still in place as head coach, even with us probably not going far in the playoffs this year if they get there at all.

 

I think Tomlin had the final say on hiring Canada and on not firing Canada after that crapshow of an offense last year which has led to a crapshow of an offense this year. But…I do think that Rooney didn’t object to Canada’s retention because he’s a cheapskate who didn’t want to be paying two offensive coordinators this season! JMHO.

 

Hmmm... perhaps not directly from him.


I do recall after the events of Round 1 in the 2021 NFL Draft when Tomlin was asked about certain draft decisions. He replied "he's the boss" in response. That is the first time I had heard that AR II having some form of involvement.


How directly he was involved though is something we will never know.

 

Actually @Blast Furnace. Found it!


Article in question is here! Goes a bit in depth.

 

there is some merit to moving on from him. Sometimes a change of scenery for both parties is for the better. Both Reid and Philly seem to have benefitted. On the flip side Reid can’t be judged without Mahomes and same goes for Bellicheck without Brady.

I am more impressed with the coaching and n SF and Miami where they are stacking wins with lesser talent at the QB position. I want somebody from Shannahans coaching tree that will inject some juice and innovation into this offense.

if Tomlin stays which I’m sure he will, then there has to be some changes moving forward. Rooney has to hold him accountable more and Tomlin can no longer have unyielding power in selecting his coordinators. He has lost that priveledge as a result if his horrendous track record.

in addition we need to create and add additional coaching positions such as passing game running game coordinators. I think if we implement those changes effectively we could be a very good team provid KP pans out.

 

How old are you? You are as maniacal in attacking the guy as he is in attacking the Steelers. It gets old. Grow up. I’m sure you’ll come back at me with a smart ass comment. So be it.

 

Whether you quote it from Ecc or the Byrds, truth is truth.

 

The Steelers are on a downward trajectory with Tomlin and it is time for a house cleaning. It's likely Mr. Rooney will not make a change until the Steelers hit rock bottom, which is where they are headed because of Tomlin's lack of leadership/management ability.

 

I agree with everything you are saying whole heartedly. The question is why? Why do we struggle to find good coordinators? Why do we seemingly have the same issues year after year and struggle to change? Is it Tomlin, is it Rooney? The frustrating thing is you really can’t evaluate players effectively, especially KP and Najee when the system is broken. Do we have legit talent on the oline?

It’s difficult to team build and hold onto and develop talent when you can’t get past the scheme. I am hopeful we can truly address the coaching this off-season and bring back some stability and a path to growth for this organization moving forward. I know with the proper coaching decisions you can turn an organization around very quickly. Look at the Browns defense with the Schwartz hire.

 

Ouch..I can't remember the details over the years, but even if it got back to near 50 the loss due to inflation would be drastic. I followed my dad's investment strategy, aluminum and glass, after years of ingesting the contents he held his gut and said it ain't worth anything, but it's all mine.

 

Hired internal coaches to be our OC or DC like Austin, Butler, Canada or Fitchner needs to stop....We must have new ideas in this staff

Austin is very bad too, but we don't talk about that much because of our historic bad Steelers offense in the last 3 years....It's just unacceptable the Steelers kept Canada because they were better in the second half of season but the reason they were better is because our offense was just all-time bad in the first half of the season but they were still not average in the second half....I mean, the Steelers were under 20 points in 4 of the last 6 games but the Steelers, like bad organization did, were blinded by the game winning drive against Raiders(they had only 6 points in the first 58 minutes against this bottom 5 defense,I mean c'mon) and Ravens(9 points in the first 58 minutes too) and our best game of the year in the last week against this awful Browns defense...This is just awful at this point

 

I agree. Everyone is a focused and n how bad the offense is we give a pass to the defense. Without the splash plays this defense is not good. Nobody picks on Austin because in reality everyone knows he is DC in name only. This is Tomlins baby. He has to get back to a lot of what Lebeau did. I don’t know if he will. I do know that the NT is not valued by Tomlin nor is it conducive to todays NFL. Teams don’t want to give up that extra DB in the back end in place if a NT. I get but at least go with bigger DT’s then and ask them to gap contain instead if gap penetrate. The DT’s don’t need the sacks let them push the pocket and let the edge players get the sacks. The DT’s primary responsibility should be stopping the run period. I’m tired of selling out completely to put pressure on the QB. I get it. When it works it looks great but when it doesn’t it us disastrous.

here’s hoping to the Steelers getting boba fire Coordinators next year and Tomlin stepping back and letting them coach both offense and defense and getting some db’s.

 

I don’t see the Steelers moving on from Tomlin. It isn’t the Rooney way. But at least bring in some outside consultants to get unbiased eyes on everything… coaching, scheme, players, etc. Then going into the off-season you can sit down with Tomlin and address what needs changed. Rooney needs to hold Tomlin accountable and if at that point Tomlin doesn’t agree or doesn’t like the changes then he will leave on his own.

Tomlin seems like a really thoughtful and logical person that’s why his coaching choices are so darn head scratching. I don’t get his desire for control over the defense either. Can he not see his ways are damaging in some respects? Perhaps he is to close to the problem to see it.

 

same thought here

 

From what I read/heard at the time Cowher respected n Loved Dan. Art the deuce not at all

IMO Art II has ZERO personality no feel for football n Steelers will be better once he moves on

 

Let’s look at Steelresolve

 

Investing in aluminum (and other metals really) is a tough way to go. I"ve working in the mineral/metals industry for over 40 yrs. When I started in 1980, the aluminum spot price was about 90 cents/lb, today its still about 90 cents/lb. Those are not inflation adjusted prices. You could make money on the swings in price, but there's been no appreciation.

 

understood, investing in the contents of some of that aluminum as also gone up, but my appreciation is still valid. lol

 

I think the why is simple. Promoting from within is Tomlin's way of keeping complete control because those people are loyal to him. He also doesn't feel threatened by them. Todd Haley and Bruce Ariens both have strong, opinionated personalities and I don't think MT appreciates being questioned by underlings especially if it's in front of other staff and/or players. I personally feel there is enough talent on the present roster that the overall performance would be more productive with a quality coaching staff.

I'd like to think that ARII and Khan would step in after the season, sit HCMT down and have the "You've tried it your way, now it's time to do something else" talk about his staff. Tomlin has his faults, but I honestly believe he has a mountain of respect for Steeler management and ownership. I believe he would respond positively.

 

I think everything you said is correct. I just don’t think anyone actually knows who selects all the assistant positions and how much influence the Coach has. Typically, they pick who they want, but, we really do not know all the circumstances. He may be allowed to pick them, but he is put on a tight pay budget. We don’t know the Colbert dynamic either and now it’s being run by a different manager. I just read where NE just sign Belichek to a new contract. I think there is a lot to your roster and the ability to retain talent. Coaches dont forget how to coach. Things change personnel wise and it takes a while to build a new foundation.

 

I agree. I would hope that’s what would happen.

 

And there it is.

 

Ask and you shall receive

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