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Tie breaker scenario?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Lizard72, Sep 21, 2018.

  1. Lizard72

    Lizard72

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    Let's say the boys rebound and go 13-2-1 or 12-3-1 and tie with the whomever in the win column, but lost the head to head.

    That tie is not a loss so does that give them the edge?
     
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  2. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT

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    To Break A Tie Within A Division

    Two Clubs
    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    To Break A Tie For The Wild-Card Team
    If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

    1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
    2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
    Two Clubs
    1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
    4. Strength of victory.
    5. Strength of schedule.
    6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best net points in conference games.
    9. Best net points in all games.
    10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    11. Coin toss.

    LINK
     
  3. Lizard72

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    I was more making the point that that does that tie make the win loss percentage better for the same amount of wins? meaning the head to head loss would mean nothing in that case. I'm no math guy.
     
  4. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    I sure hope it never resorts to the last option in each tie breaker scenarios - the Steelers have never figured out how to call a coin toss. "......aaaaa.......headtails" :rolleyes:
     
  5. Disco1981

    Disco1981 Well-Known Member

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    13-2-1...lol
     
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  6. Roonatic

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    10-6 should win or tie for the division. I think 11-5 we win it outright.
     
  7. steel machine

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    If the Steelers finish with 12 or more wins I'll walk naked to the Burgh. It would be 400 miles of people getting disgusted.
     
  8. FeedTheMachineFTM

    FeedTheMachineFTM Well-Known Member

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    We get humiliated in the playoffs anyway . Same ol’ same ol’,I guess the standard now is to just make the playoffs year after year
     
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  9. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    I believe you question is basically, suppose the Steelers go 9-6-1 and are 'tied' in the win column with a 9-7 Cincy. Who wins the tiebreaker? The answer is there is no tiebreaker. The 9-6-1 record is better than 9-7 on a winning % basis. A tie is a half win-half loss.
     
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  10. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT

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    My bad. I agree with AFan’s response.
     
  11. Lizard72

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    Yeah so even if Head-to-Head is a loss, it doesn't get to that because of win percentage. Got it
     
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  12. jeh1856

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    I’m guessing you didn’t notice the tie with Cleveland?
     
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  13. SDOT

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    I'm worried about winning one game and OP has them running the table. I love your enthusiasm.
     
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  14. truckin9999

    truckin9999 Well-Known Member

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    there wont be any tie-breakers because of the tie. The only team we can tie right now is the Browns. we could get swept by a division team and it wouldnt matter if the other team doesnt have a tie
     
  15. AFan

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    Yup, unless Cincy or Balt pick up a tie of their own OR should the Steelers pick up a second one, there won't be tie between Pit against Cin or Bal,. But if the Steeler pick up a 2nd tie and finish 8-6-2, they'd tie a 9-7 Cincy team.
     
  16. Roonatic

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    ???
    Nine wins would beat out eight wins, no tie.
     
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  17. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Let's win a game first before worrying about tie breakers.
     
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  18. AFan

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    It ain't wins, it's winning pct. 8-6-2 is the same win % as 9-7. So tie it is.

    Or if you prefer 8 wins + 2 half-wins = 9 wins.
     
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  19. AskQuestionsLater

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    This is precisely why I hate tiebreakers. They screw up playoff seeding in the worst way.


    To say that the Monday Night game is pivotal is quite the understatement.
     
  20. AFan

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    Not sure how TBs 'screw up playoff seeding in the worst way', care to offer an example?

    TBs are a bit over officicious, but since your not gonna have a week of games to break divisional ties, they are necessary. They are logical, they weigh head/head, division and conf record appropriately. They deal with 3-way and 4-way tie possibilities and basically ensure they every conceivable scenario is covered, before you get to the dreaded coin-toss. And everybody knows the rules in advance. You can argue you'd prefer a different set of TBs, but that more a issue of personal preference.
     
  21. AskQuestionsLater

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    Absolutely.


    With a tie, winning this division becomes even more of a necessity. Unless something extremely unusual happens by that time, I highly doubt that wildwild card teams are going to have ties in their records.
     
  22. TheTerribleOwl

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    It certainly should be that way if it is not. Two ties should not be worth a win, which is why the current NHL system is extra silly. Two losses can actually equal a win. Ugh.
     
  23. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    Wait a minute? Are you arguing that 'Ties screw up playoff seeding in the worst way' or that 'tiebreakers screw up playoff seeding in the worst way'? You got me confused.

    For Tiebreakers, you can hate um if you want but they're necessary as I argued before.
    As far as ties go, if you think a tie is gonna hurt you, then win the damn game. If it hurts your playoff seeding, boo-hoo.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2018
  24. AskQuestionsLater

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    ... Wow...


    Just read what I typed. My mistake. :hi:



    I do hate ties. As you said though, win the game. Then again, the defense overall is not good enough to do that it seems.
     
  25. Clive From PIT

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    The Steelers, at 0-1-1, are listed on NFL.com as having a 0.250 winning percentage.
     

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