Those blaming KP

Steelpens65 · Nov 23, 2022

S.T.D said: ↑

Something I brought up last year. They would get off the bus allowing a Td, and 1st thing after the 2nd half, and people would say .....it's because their tired....LoL....So apparently they came off the bus tired..
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Exactly, Steelers defense was on the field 3 more minutes than the Bungles def last week. Yet they are exhausted?! In the 3 qtr?!?!

Woodson two-six · Nov 23, 2022

steelersrule6 said: ↑

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The anticipation on that throw was awesome! That was also very good play design. It all started with that motion, to identify man coverage. It looked like C1 to me (high safety man under). That motion also crossed up the defenders at the snap. I'm willing to bet Pickens had his read there and due to leverage, he ran to the corner from the stem of his route (based on defender's leverage). That throw was money and tough as nails to hang in there! Love it!!

BobbyBiz · Nov 23, 2022

Woodson two-six said: ↑

The anticipation on that throw was awesome! That was also very good play design. It all started with that motion, to identify man coverage. It looked like C1 to me (high safety man under). That motion also crossed up the defenders at the snap. I'm willing to bet Pickens had his read there and do to leverage, he ran to the corner from the stem of his route (based on defender's leverage). That throw was money and tough as nails to hang in there! Love it!!
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No no no....that was a lollipop throw that he didn't step into that was only completed because of busted coverage.

S.T.D · Nov 23, 2022

BobbyBiz said: ↑

No no no....that was a lollipop throw that he didn't step into that was only completed because of busted coverage.
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No this is a busted coverage, and people were happy for Him....LoL, and when I then said I could have thrown that....everyone called Me a hater.

Fe3CCity · Nov 23, 2022

Woodson two-six said: ↑

for the Steelers' struggles, really need to see the bigger picture here. Let's just deal in the facts for a second; 1) He's a ROOKIE QB! 2) The Steelers' rushing numbers are toward the bottom of the league 3) Two of his INTs were tipped balls (in fact the receiver touched the ball first) and one was a hail mary throw and one receiver fell down on his route.

Now let's look at some other pieces. The offensive line (if not the worst) is one of the bottom 5 in the league. A consistent running game is nowhere to be found! The receiver play has been very inconsistent, at best. Now, I'm not saying that KP has zero accountability here! There have been some bad throws (and not all INTs either). Some have just been misses. He also should have checked out of some plays (pre-snap) but we don't know all of the freedom that Canada gives his rookie QB, so....

This kinda leads to my next point. To the average person, who's just a fan and never played/coached any football, INTs and all "bad throws" look like the QBs fault. This is not true at all. AGAIN, I'm NOT saying QBs don't ever have fault when they throw a pick! However, in the NFL, there are so many "cite reads" by receivers (reading the defense and attacking their leverage- how they are aligned to you-inside/out/head up/etc) that actually many INTs thrown, are on the receivers (it's the receiver's fault). The QBs are making reads well before the receiver often even get to their breaks (presnap, within first few steps) by reading the defender leverage, movement, eyes, etc. So they are coached to throw the ball to a spot (a window). Sometimes, there is a defender unseen that steps in but often, the receiver does not make a break, does not run the proper route for how the defender was aligned/leveraged, etc.

Bad QB signs: Holding the ball too long (3+ seconds), Not climbing the pockets (not stepping up into the pocket-Mason was horrible at this), throwing off the back foot (especially to midfield), sailing the ball high on misses

Give the kid a little room here. He needs better coaching but more importantly better pass pro and a more productive running game. Give him another season to; get the playbook down, get used to the speed of the game (with at least an avg NFL O Line) and get some better coaching before you say how terrible he is! There are much bigger fish to fry here.
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Some of the thing mentioned he has already improved on.
Climbing the pocket was big in the Bengals game.

I'm not sold but I think he needs a little more room to grow.
Give him the chance to get out of a look. I enjoy watching the improvement. If he's wrong, ok but let's not shake the confidence and see if he "gets it" on the next read.

I'm fine with the growing pains, I just want to see the growth.

Woodson two-six · Nov 23, 2022

Fe3CCity said: ↑

Some of the thing mentioned he has already improved on.
Climbing the pocket was big in the Bengals game.

I'm not sold but I think he needs a little more room to grow.
Give him the chance to get out of a look. I enjoy watching the improvement. If he's wrong, ok but let's not shake the confidence and see if he "gets it" on the next read.

I'm fine with the growing pains, I just want to see the growth.
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I think you misread my post/intentions here?

I think KP is doing just fine. I was arguing for this! The area below (in my original message) was highlighting what struggling QBs do. KP, in my opinion really does not have any of these bad habits.

Woodson two-six · Nov 23, 2022

Happy Thanksgiving you Jive Turkeys!

Go Steelers! Go Beavers!

Formerscribe · Nov 23, 2022

jeh1856 said: ↑

We had 4 3 and outs for the offense in the 3rd quarter someone posted

The defense had to be exhausted

Of course they were rotating players that’s not bad coaching as someone suggested it was bad offense
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The Bengals were moving the ball relatively easily in the first half, too. They had 17 points, so they were on pace to score 34. This was with the offense sustaining drives and putting up 20 points. What was your excuse for the defense in the first half?

It wasn't fatigue. It was a pass rush that wasn't good enough against a team that usually can't protect its quarterback. It was a secondary that couldn't figure out how to cover Higgins or the back out of the backfield. It was a defense that played poorly all game long against a team missing one of the best receivers in the NFL and a quality running back.

Fe3CCity · Nov 24, 2022

Woodson two-six said: ↑

I think you misread my post/intentions here?

I think KP is doing just fine. I was arguing for this! The area below (in my original message) was highlighting what struggling QBs do. KP, in my opinion really does not have any of these bad habits.
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My b!
Wasn't trying to say you weren't only trying to say he was.

I think we're on the same page here.

SuperSteelers · Nov 24, 2022

THREE RIVER SHIVER said: ↑

I agree....It sorta all goes hand in hand....if this o line could elevate its game , I believe Kenny would look alot better.....The MLB play has been downright bad... I was expecting much more from Jack also
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Yup Jack has been a disappointment. I had a feeling this was how it would play out when the Steelers picked him up. The lowly Jaguars were no longer interested in keeping him in any capacity so that was pretty much a big red flag in my opinion.

jeh1856 · Nov 24, 2022

Formerscribe said: ↑

The Bengals were moving the ball relatively easily in the first half, too. They had 17 points, so they were on pace to score 34. This was with the offense sustaining drives and putting up 20 points. What was your excuse for the defense in the first half?

It wasn't fatigue. It was a pass rush that wasn't good enough against a team that usually can't protect its quarterback. It was a secondary that couldn't figure out how to cover Higgins or the back out of the backfield. It was a defense that played poorly all game long against a team missing one of the best receivers in the NFL and a quality running back.
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That’s nice

But my comment is still correct

Your response just missed my point

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