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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 86WardsWay, May 23, 2023.

  1. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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  2. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    This rule really hurts the Ravens. Tucker is a master at kicking the sky high kickoff short of the end zone. The receiving team now just has to fair catch the ball and take it on the 25 instead of being pinned back inside their 15.
     
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  3. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    Good.
     
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  4. thorn058

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    I guess I'm confused here. They can wave for a fair catch at the 1 and get it at the 25? Or they wave for a fair catch at the 25 and have to field it there? I'm not sure other than the wind why any team would kick it short now for any reason since its what 25 or 30? Coffin kicks will be a thing of the past and pretty much make kick returners an endangered species like single bar face masks.
     
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  5. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I don't often drink...but I'm starting to. Site Admin

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    Rich McKay, who heads the league’s competition committee, was asked Tuesday during a news conference about the possibility of squib kicks forcing a kick return. McKay refuted that notion.

    “It doesn’t mean they (kickers) won’t do it, but we went back and looked at college and what the reaction was in college when they made this change and actually the number of squib kicks went down. … So we’ve looked at all that data. Could they do it? They could, but then they run the risk that if someone at the 20 (yard line) catches a squib and begins to run, they’re automatically at the 30-, 35-yard line. So it does affect field position.

    “The only thing I would say, too, to special teams coaches is in the kicks that they were hanging to the 5-yard line or inside and getting this advantage, the average start line for those kicks being returned was the 24.3. …​
     
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  6. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Future NFL football player 2035.



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  7. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i always thought they should give 1 point to the kicking team if they kick it through the uprights on the kick off.

    you always were allowed to fair catch a kick off. you can also use a free kick from where you caught the ball if you so choose.:smiley1::cool:
     
  8. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    In years before if you fair caught a kickoff on the 2 yard line then you started on the 2 yard line. Now if you make a fair catch at the 2 the ball comes out to the 25 yard line.
     
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  9. Vox Ferrum

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    Was just listening to Dan Patrick a while ago. One of the guys on his show said the NFL committees report showed KO returns were significantly in the last 10 years, but last few years injuries were up dramatically. That makes little sense, but take it at their word, if they could find a way to do away with KO's they would/will. Problem is the final 2 minutes of a lot of games would be a lot less suspenseful. If you had no KO, thus no onside kick possibility the dynamic changes.
     
  10. Vox Ferrum

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    Coffin kicks on a KO? I get your point, but that type of kick on a KO, if it goes out of bounds would be a penalty and the start is at the 40 (?). Buy yea if you are receiving and looking for field position an auto start on the 25 is pretty sweet. One of the disadvantages on a fair catch (especially in bad weather) is muffing the catch, but you have that risk anyway.
     
  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    yea i get that but the fair catch was always available. :cool:
     
  12. thorn058

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    Yes I know I screwed that one up. This is why I should never mix lack of sleep with reading comprehension. I'll be surprised if they phase kick offs out in the near future. There are going to he teams that will just take the ball on the 25 every time since the risk/reward factor is going to be small.
     
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  13. Karl

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    Actually, you did have a point.
    The kickers kicks it to the corner to limit the run back.
    Ok, it's not really a 'coffin kick' but it is to the corner instead of the middle.

    I don't know what to think of the rule.
    If you have a boomer kicker, most of the time I would fair catch it and get it at the 20 will no change of a short return or TO.
    If you kick it to the roof and keep it around from 10 to the 1, I'm pretty much stuck. Either return it or fair catch it. That return now turns into field position at the 25 as you point out.

    I think I just see this as the last stop before just handing the ball to the offense at the 25 and doing away with the kickoff all together.

    I'm still on the fence with it as all the possibilities just haven't sunk into my thick head.
    I'm leaning towards 'this sucks' though.
     
  14. blackandgoldpatrol

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    that's been the QB uniform for quite a while now
     
  15. SteelersFan369

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    No more 99 yard returns
     
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  16. S.T.D

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    Actually the XFL way is the best of both worlds, safer, and still a great use of ST, but of course the NFL doesn't want it look like they think the XFL had a great idea.....So they will go with this stupid rule. LoL
     
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  17. CK 13

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    They forgot the flags.
     
  18. CK 13

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  19. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    It was probably Tom Brady's first ever uniform.
     
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  20. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I've seen it happen on rare occasions. Like if a team has a big lead late in the game and doesn't want to risk a fumble on the return. Or on a pooch kick that only goes to around the 30 I've seen the upbacks make a fair catch rather than risk a fumble.
     
  21. Brice

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    You know I don't think I have ever seen a fair catch on a kickoff. If the ball hits the endzone it is dead, so they don't fair catch in the endzone, but I can't remember seeing a player try to fair catch one of those short squib kicks, or an onside kick.

    Funny, I don't even know if you can call for a fair catch on an onside kick, to keep the kicking team away from you. The receiving team gets all his "Hands" guys up front and right before the kick they all signal for a fair catch. :)
     
  22. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Beer is good

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    Just as an fyi this change is for kickoffs

    Coffin kicks are only on punts

    On kickoffs out of bounds Is a penalty
     
  23. Rush2seven

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    Teams still have a choice to field the ball and run. There were plays where they took it out of the end zone. This just makes it less likely the kicking team tries to kick it short. The risk to Kicking short is it could go out of bounds. I really don’t see this impacting the game much.

    Belichek will still have his kicker kick to the 5 yard line with hopes it either drops in or gets fielded and they take off so his team can make a play before the 25 yard line.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

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  25. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. They're not forced to fair catch inside the twenty and there will always be that guy who's trying to make a play, whether he should or not.
     

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