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This coaching staff is killing us

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by shaner82, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:46 PM.

  1. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    This isn't a fire Tomlin thread, although many know my feelings on that subject. This is more discussing the details of decisions the coaching staff make (and have been making for years) that there is seemingly no justification for.

    We needed 1 yard several times but never used a one time pro bowl FB in Nix. Tomlin tried to justify it by saying Nix was injured, but that's BS, considering Nix played 18 snaps on special teams, which is probably among the highest on the team without looking. They could have brought in an extra tackle and smashed it into the line with our RB, who is known as a pretty good power back. But they decided to pitch it out wide. It's bordering on insanity.

    Moncrief played 90% of the snaps, despite being the worst player on the field. He was horrendous. 10 targets, 3 catches, 7 yards, including a dropped TD. He was so bad but the coaches kept playing him. Washington played about half the snaps and Johnson played about 35%. Both had less combined snaps than Moncrief. Yes, both are young, but look around the league, rookie WR's were lighting it up in week 1. I'm all for shielding young players, but not if the alternative is hot garbage like Moncrief was and has been for most of his career. Holton also showed some serious speed on the first series, but Ben missed him or it would have been a TD. He only played 7 snaps. He should have got more to see what he could do.

    TJ watt calling the defence from the outside. That's not ideal, but perhaps there was no other option. The thing is, Bush is used to calling plays, he did it plenty in Michigan. Tomlin implied it wasn't given to Bush because they were subbing him in and out a lot. But both Watt and Bush played almost the same number of snaps, so once again, a BS excuse.

    There's so many other examples of terrible coaching, such as Vance and Ola not being used properly. It's not like our OLB were tearing it up out there, why not give the guy a chance? And why ignore Vance all game? Just stupidity. So frustrated and this isn't new stuff either. We seem to be an unintelligent football team most years and I believe it's because we are being led by unintelligent coaches
     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

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    Agree with Keith Butler. Heck, I wanted him gone by the 2017 season. It was bad enough that, even with Ryan Shazier, our players were often placed in unwinnbale situations. Turn the page to 2018 without Shaz?!?!


    :puking 4:



    I always give new coaches and/or rookies the benefit of the doubt. Randy was one of those people I had high praise for early on last season. As the season wore on, my optimism started to fade. By the time we faced and lost to Oakland, for the very first time of me being a fan, I had run out of paitence. This season?! Little to no change offensively. Then again, Fitchner was already on record in stating he is apathetic about "silly" run to pass ratios.



    Mike Tomlin?! Time for change. Granted, the execution and discipline of some of those plays are not on him. That being said, not punching it in on the one yard line tells me that Tomlin is doing the very opposite thing that made him successful in those early years; "Never live in your fears".



    Ultimately, this upcoming Sunday is going to be far more telling about not just the players but also the coaches. Time to find out if the team can get it all together. Moreover, time for these coaches to properly put forth an efficient game plan for success.
     
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  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    100% Shaner.

    I took down my FMTI sig because it's a new season with new hopes, so I'm giving him a chance but he didn't get off to a good start. Really nothing to add to what you wrote, more bad decisions by this coach and his staff. Very frustrating.
     
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  4. steel machine

    steel machine Well-Known Member

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    Agree! Been on Mike's bandwagon most the way but going for that FG last week was the straw that broke my back.
     
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  5. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    LOL That’s just one game.You can write a novel on all the stupid things he’s done ( and continues to do) in the last 10 years. I know some guys like to criticize his press conferences but we should be thankful for all his cliches and coach speak because when he opens his mouth to talk about his reasoning and strategy it’s far worse and full of BS.

    Edit: The intelligence of this team has been questioned for years and years. I say it all the time that this is a stupid football team. Players have come and gone but one thing remains the same
     
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  6. SteelAU

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    I watched some film break down where someone analyzed the Pats and Steelers as to how they defended empty backfield. The difference in a nutshell is Belichick knows how to teach and make adjustments prior to snaps, and Butler/Tomlin do not.

    when the Pats or Steelers went w/ empty backfields, here is how we aligned against Pats:
    CB Joe Haden –> FB James Develin
    CB Steven Nelson –> RB Rex Burkhead
    SS Terrell Edmunds –> TE Ryan Izzo
    ILB Vince Williams –> WR Julian Edelman
    OLB Bud Dupree –> WR Josh Gordon

    Vince WIlliams on Edelman? Dupree on Gordon? Our best CB covering a FB? Geez. Tell me Brady didn't drool over this. Did we make any adjustments? Nope.

    Here is how Pats aligned against us:
    CB Jason McCourty –> WR Ryan Switzer
    CB Stephon Gilmore –> WR JuJu Smith-Schuster
    CB JC Jackson –> WR Donte Moncrief
    SS Patrick Chung –> TE Vance McDonald
    ILB Ja’Whaun Bentley –> RB Jaylen Samuels

    Notice how They put their best DBs on our best WR/TE. And somewhere I saw where the Pats had a similar bad alignment called as we were in but their S or CB called out the adjustment and made those disadvantages a better matchup to cover our receivers before Ben got into the play.

    Bottom line is our coaches do not prepare our players so that they execute and match up better to stop the Pats. Our defense was always chasing open WRs while the Pats defenders were always covering our offensive players leaving Ben very few places to throw the ball.

    And Vance McDOnald was ALWAYS covered by Chang and even if they called a play for Vance Ben was not going to complete it to him. I watched so many plays of just Vance running routes and never looking open, it was amazing....
     
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  7. Blast Furnace

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    That's so infuriating. I'm really not going to make it through the season before calling for firings again :facepalm:

    All I want is for our next coach to be an X's and O's guy with an eye for detail. A total tactician. No more rah rah coaches. Cowher wasn't much of an X's and O's coach either, was out coached in those big games.

    Like Noll said, if I have to motivate you, I'm going to fire you.
     
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  8. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Wow! What an incredible strategy to put your best defender on defense to cover the best WR on offense. This is going to revolutionize the game of football. I mean no one has probably thought of doing this since Jim Thorpe was covering the Bear's rookie speedster George Halas.
     
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  9. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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  10. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    Yeah but imagine the confidence boost that gave Boz to be called upon at such a dire time. Sure to pay dividends down the road.

    PS: To all the newbies, before you all go ballistic, green font means sarcasm as so many users have had to 'splain recently. :facepalm:
     
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  11. groutbrook

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  12. Hawaii 5-0

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    smart move, I stupidly kept reading and ran into a second "dadgum" and almost vomited.
     
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  13. groutbrook

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    I'm glad I quit while I was ahead. He can't say anything that's going to change my opinion of him anyway. Usually I've settled back down by now after a loss, but I have a feeling this season is going to be more of the same. It's disappointing.
     
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  14. thesteeldeal

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    Don’t say my link didn’t come without a warning....dadgum it
     
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  15. turtle

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    You would think those matchups are a one game aberration or something they couldn't check out of. But we've seen this every year. It really is perplexing how rigid they are to change.
     
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  16. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know it’s just more BS from our coaches. Many sources claim the Steelers used the same exact game plan as last year but Dad Dadgum claims the communication issue were due to a new scheme.. Could of fooled me. I think all these coach interviews are on a loop from 5 years ago and counting....
     
  17. Lizard72

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    One problem with your snap count of Bush and Watt is that Watt was out with a hip injury for a good portion of the game. So that's where the snap count kind of evens out. I'm with you though, if you practice in pre-season with Bush calling plays, let him do it in the regular season.
     
  18. groutbrook

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    I watched the highlights with New England's radio guys doing the audio. They were giddy every time they saw what defense Pittsburgh was using. They were calling Tom's shots before the snap.
     
  19. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Did it look like we practiced anything?
     
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  20. bigbenhotness

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    I agree our coaching is our biggest weakness bar none. We have at least 1 SB appearance and more playoff wins 2011-2018 with better coaching
     
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  21. turtle

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    Keith Butler likes that "Left Shoe, Right Foot" defense. Whatever mismatch he can dial up to put the players in awkward matches.
     
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  22. Steel_Elvis

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    He is dadgum salivating at the chance to match Big Dan in man coverage on John Ross
     
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  23. Blast Furnace

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    At least his game plan for Eifert won't go to waste.
     
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  24. Steel_Elvis

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    Of all of the events of this past offseason, the biggest mistake was not firing Butler. You read that interview, and you just know he’s in over his head without a snorkel (not that we didn’t already dadgum know that dadgum already).
     
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  25. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Alualu, you’re up!
     
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