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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mcam, May 3, 2018.

  1. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2017
    Well the reality is you have either

    5-2-4 (goaline) could be 5-3-3

    4-3-4 (traditional 4-3) with weakside and strong side linebacker

    3-4-4 (traditional 3-4)

    3-3-5 (modified nickel)

    4-2-5 (traditional nickel) We line up the OLBs at defensive end.


    4-1-6 (traditional dime)

    The last number is secondary, whether it be a corner or safety. So basically it looks like Edmunds and/or Allen will be getting action in the Dime defense, with potential to play ILB in those packages.
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  2. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2011
    Yes there will be packages that we use these guys in where they will be as such or some form of a LB. What I mean is they are not here to take on the role of the traditional Mack and buck LBers duties. LB is a broad brush in hybrid defenses. These guys will not be crashing up into the line on a play to play basis as a typical old school LB role suggests. Many are trying to put them in that role.:cool:

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2012
    Again mcam you are missing what I am saying. I am giving my opinion on what I am hearing that the Steelers want to run more of this "hybrid" defense not what I want them to run. Yes it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out you don't run a dime vs a heavy run team. However when you keep reading the team wants to run more of this hybrid system that means less of the other formations and honestly adding a guy like LT don't make sense. Example here is a small part from behind the steel curtain:

    Edmunds was a CB coming out of high school who converted to play the Rover position for the Tech defense, which is basically a hybrid between a linebacker and safety. They take the place of the nickel defender which is typically the slot CB and they usually line up on the side of the field with the most receivers, usually guarding the TE or the slot receiver.

    This is actually a role I could see him playing with the Steelers early on in subpackages, often replacing whoever the buck LB is on the field on obvious passing downs.

    Also you keep talking about the Jagoff game let's not forget we had guys like Spence, Moats and Mitchell playing big roles which we now have replaced. That game was such a disaster right from coaching down to the players. We have added some new players via the draft and FA and also added some new coaching so I feel that will help fix a lot........I hope. But this thread is about adding LT and I stand firm that he does not fit what I keep reading this team wants to do. jmo :smiley1:
  4. mcam

    mcam Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2017
    Think we're on the same page with how the Steelers plan on utilizing Edmunds and hopefully Allen in subpackage nickel and dime defenses. I don't believe Tomlin's words means that we are going away from the base 3-4 defense as our core defense. Just that we're adding an additional element of versatility.

    I think we're both also in agreement that players like Timmons shouldn't be on the field in nickel and dime defenses.

    I think we disagree on

    1) If we have our personnel needs met at inside linebacker. In my opinion focusing on a physical ILB that can play the run in goalline and 3-4 packages.


    2) the big one, that Lawrence Timmons can still play well especially against the run in this league. << big one..

    How many linebackers has the Steelers dropped to play on an other team only to return to the Burgh and play at a high level? I can think of James Harrison and Larry Foote off the top of my head.

    In my opinion, getting Lawrence Timmons at the veteran minimum would be an absolute STEAL for the Steelers. He's still available to this day.

    There is no suggestion to put him in as a starter or play him in the nickel and dime defenses. The idea would be to put him as a situational player in running downs and to have as an additional backup at ILB if someone was to get injured.

    With how he knows our defense and our players, along with us knowing his strengths and weaknesses, I think it would be absolutely foolish not to be looking at him.

    Note the Dolphins played LT at outside linebacker in a 4-3 defense. They played him in passing down situations. He was entirely out of his element, and still didn't have a bad season. Just not amazing.

    So bumping the official bring back LT post. :cool:
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