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The new GM versus Tomlin

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by hmmmmm, Nov 11, 2024 at 1:33 PM.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Wilson has only one game with one touchdown pass in three starts, the victory against the Giants. He threw two against the Jets and three against the Commanders.
     
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  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    It did not work. It relied on two players to do things they don’t normally do and one of them failed.
     
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  3. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    but that does not make it a bad play call
     
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  4. We need a change

    We need a change Well-Known Member

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    Washington left the gunner uncovered, it was most likely an automatic call given the defense presented. This is pro football, you have to set aside your kid’s pop warner. They normally do it because they practice the fake punt as part of normal practice. These are things they have to work through to possibly use later in the season.
     
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  5. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    winner winner chicken dinner
     
  6. Trafalgar

    Trafalgar Well-Known Member

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    What absolute nonsense.
     
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  7. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder.
    Who would win in this fight. The Coach or GM
     
  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I'm drawing on years of covering football at the high school, college, and pro levels as a reporter. I've seen one Pop Warner game in my life. That's one reason I know that practicing something is not the same thing as doing it in a game when you have opposing players to deal with and pressure that isn't there in practice. Pressure is often why we see unforced errors in football. Pressure is why there are players who look great in practice, but can't play at that same level on game day. Pressure is why practice is so important. Players have done something a million times, so they don't have to think about it when it is time to do those things on game day. Pierre doesn't have the reps a receiver does in those situations. Not even close. That is why he was far more likely to drop that ball than a receiver, tight end, or running back would in that same situation. That is why it was a bad risk.
     
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  9. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    LOL - fist fight?
     
  10. Formerscribe

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    Yes, it does, given the high risk involved. Pierre simply doesn't have many in-game reps catching a pass like that, which made the possibility of failure far higher than it would be for a receiver.
     
  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL
    I find it funny that people that think Tomlin is a bad HC think the Punt fake was a great call....yet many of the Tomlin supporters (like myself) thought it was a dumb call.
    Risk vs reward makes it a bad call. Period
     
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  12. SGSteeler

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    I think we're arguing the wrong thing here... It's not that it was a bad call vs. good call. It was quite literally a checked into play, so in this instance a fake punt wasn't called by the coach. I don't know what else there is to say about it. The "look" that Washington was bringing was something that was scouted by the ST and a check was given when they saw the look. It didn't matter where the ball was, if they got the look, the check was on. The fake punt was "called" by Killebrew like 1.5 seconds before the ball was snapped. It was something to be prepared for, the preparation worked, and we dropped the ball on a play that would have easily converted.
     
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  13. james weyandt

    james weyandt Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin is a Superbowl winning---- non-losing season---- coach. He is a good coach and really deserves to hear us say we are not worthy of his greatness, and we should:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:to him then maybe he will win us the 7th---- instead of hating on him and saying he sucks..or then again maybe not you decide....:rolleyes:
     
  14. mikeyg

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    that is funny. I am critical of tomlin many times and i praise him too.

    not sure what that makes me - a husband, a father, an employer, a Steelers FAN??!?!?!
     
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  15. We need a change

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    Part of this is the change we are seeing in this team. Many of us have been hoping that we would open up a little bit and get away from the predictable Steeler ball and modernize a little bit. Asking an NFL defensive back to catch a short pass is not the same as asking them to split the atom. During your coverage have you ever seen a defensive interception? We used to have a safety named Troy who made some amazing catches. Look, kidding aside, these are the best athletes in the world, asking for one of them to catch a short pass is a reasonable ask and should not be a risk. The punter threw a great pass!
     
  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Coach definitely authorized it and Tomlin stated clearly they were running it the first chance they had and they did

    Sure it had to be the right coverage
     
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  17. forgotten1

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    Yeah, thought initially this thread was about some post game shenanigans
    LOL

    Didn't know it was just HOT GARBAGE
     
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  18. forgotten1

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    Not to split hairs but that praise took a hellabit
    JMO
     
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  19. S.T.D

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    Exactly....., and believe Me they practiced this because of what they seen on tape, but I guarantee they didn't say....just do it whenever. LoL...They had to get the ok to do it that early, and where they were on the field. They seen it on tape....more than likely it could have been done later in the game, and they could have saved it. Example: the KC jail break block on the field goal at the end of the game this past weekend. They knew that what the Broncos did many times in that situation, and they could have done it earlier in the game, but they saved it for when they needed it.
    Again....this is not to you @jeh1856@jeh1856, but to others......it's not that it was a bad play....it when, and where it was allowed to be done, and if people think they have the say so to do it just whenever....without a check with the coaches....well....I really don't know what to say to you.
     
  20. Formerscribe

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    The punter didn't throw the pass. Killebrew did.

    When you ask people to do what they don't routinely do, the risk of a mistake increases significantly. It's that simple. When the consequence of failure is handing the other team the ball at your 15-yard-line, that is a foolish risk.

    Be more aggressive in throwing deep more often. Be more aggressive by blitzing more. Be more aggressive in a smart way, not a gimmicky way.
     
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  21. Steel_Elvis

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    No. The fact that the check didn’t have additional conditions beyond the “look” IS a call. Any automatic play can have go/no-go decisions beyond seeing a certain “look” by the other team.
     
  22. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    The announcers would have brought it up after the punt and we all here would be B&C about the missed opportunity and how stupid our team is during situational football.



    BRING ON THE RAVENS!!!!!!!!
     
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