The Mike Tomlin (and general coaching) Complaint Thread

doubleyoi · Oct 28, 2025 at 7:03 PM

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Woof, pretty strong criticism from national analyst.

freakfontana · Oct 28, 2025 at 7:14 PM

It's a shame !

Thor · Oct 28, 2025 at 7:33 PM

doubleyoi said: ↑

Woof, pretty strong criticism from national analyst.

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I understand what he's saying, but there's no way that play should've counted. Elliot did poor job in coverage and the ref missed a blatant push-off. I'm the first to say the D needs a better scheme, but that play should've worked in their favor. Receivers are open on a lot of plays, pressure and coverage on early progressions are key on blitzes.

KnoxVegasSteel · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:03 PM

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Mike Tomlin has led the Pittsburgh Steelers to the playoffs 12 times during his 18 seasons as head coach. He has won seven AFC North titles and made two Super Bowl appearances, winning Super Bowl XLIII.

And this is why non-Steeler fans can't believe I want Tomlin gone. Their not looking at the big picture. I too would think Tomlin was a good HC if I rooted for another team.

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And I would also add the rest of the story to those fans of other teams that it's only 4 seasons with an actual win in the postseason. In his 18 seasons, he missed postseason completely 6 times and was 1 and done 8 times. So that's 14 seasons without a playoff win. People can cherry pick stats to support almost any narrative.

steelersrule6 · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:07 PM

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Well, maybe he called more back when Butler was here?

Anyway, I don't care who's calling them, it's an ineffective scheme. Green Bay runs a lot of 11-p with the TE running a route. So to be fair, only six rushers would be considered a blitz. The problem was the blitzes were ineffective at pressuring Love, and our five pass defenders couldn't keep coverage on their four receivers - given that, I don't know that it would have helped to drop eight in coverage.

Bottom line is we have some aging guys who may no longer be elite, but are still good enough to form a better unit than what we've put out there. If it's Austin, he shouldn't have been retained. This isn't a first under his watch.
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Well, I doubt that happened Butler was promised the job when LeBeau was gone. Then Tomlin is going to screw him over by taking over play calling, Arthur Moats said Tomlin would only make a few calls a game not the entire game BTW.

Blast Furnace · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:26 PM

Thor said: ↑

Well, maybe he called more back when Butler was here?

Anyway, I don't care who's calling them, it's an ineffective scheme. Green Bay runs a lot of 11-p with the TE running a route. So to be fair, only six rushers would be considered a blitz. The problem was the blitzes were ineffective at pressuring Love, and our five pass defenders couldn't keep coverage on their four receivers - given that, I don't know that it would have helped to drop eight in coverage.

Bottom line is we have some aging guys who may no longer be elite, but are still good enough to form a better unit than what we've put out there. If it's Austin, he shouldn't have been retained. This isn't a first under his watch.
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Bouchette, another long time beat writer (since retired) said when they hired Austin that Tomlin should give up the play calling, I’m guessing thats what probably happened.

If your schemes are flawed, doesnt matter who is calling the plays.

Da Stellars · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:37 PM

Guys…don’t worry.

We are going to unleash hell in November, and it will be historical.

Thor · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:43 PM

steelersrule6 said: ↑

Well, I doubt that happened Butler was promised the job when LeBeau was gone. Then Tomlin is going to screw him over by taking over play calling, Arthur Moats said Tomlin would only make a few calls a game not the entire game BTW.
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That's fine. Like I said, I don't really care who calls the plays as long as they're successful. I don't know why a coach would bring in a coordinator only to have call plays or override what they call, but Tomlin has admitted to doing that at times.

steelersrule6 · Oct 28, 2025 at 8:53 PM

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That's fine. Like I said, I don't really care who calls the plays as long as they're successful. I don't know why a coach would bring in a coordinator only to have call plays or override what they call, but Tomlin has admitted to doing that at times.
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You don't think offensive head coaches over ride their OC sometimes.

Animus · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:00 PM

Ima leave this right here:

Thor · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:08 PM

steelersrule6 said: ↑

You don't think offensive head coaches over ride their OC sometimes.
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I do. Some still call most of the plays - I'd just think that ideally that's not the way you'd want to do it. But when the situation dictates, yeah, you overrule a particular call.

There's no real way for us to know just how much Tomlin may have called over Butler. Like I said, it doesn't matter much to me. I just wish he'd get better coordinators in place (Smith I'm alright with).

Animus · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:22 PM

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I do. Some still call most of the plays - I'd just think that ideally that's not the way you'd want to do it. But when the situation dictates, yeah, you overrule a particular call.

There's no real way for us to know just how much Tomlin may have called over Butler. Like I said, it doesn't matter much to me. I just wish he'd get better coordinators in place (Smith I'm alright with).
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Truthfully, it doesn't matter to me who calls them either. What really matters is the plays aren't getting communicated to the rest of the defense right. I don't know if this is PQs fault or Austin's fault. Changing the green dot from PQ just might solve a lot of our problems and if they persist, especially on a communication standpoint, then we gotta look at removing Austin from playcalling duties.

steelersrule6 · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:24 PM

And some people still won't believe what the local media says

Blast Furnace · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:51 PM

Wow, could Tomlin finally lose the locker room?

Blast Furnace · Oct 28, 2025 at 9:53 PM

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And some people still won't believe what the local media says
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You believe these dipshits but not Butler

Anyway, I’m sure Austin is calling the plays now but Tomlin was before.

steelersrule6 · Oct 28, 2025 at 10:16 PM

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You believe these dipshits but not Butler

Anyway, I’m sure Austin is calling the plays now but Tomlin was before.
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Dipshits who cover the team daily don't know what they're talking about oh okay . You ever think Butler was forced out and had an axe to grind.

jeh1856 · Oct 28, 2025 at 10:17 PM

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You believe these dipshits but not Butler

Anyway, I’m sure Austin is calling the plays now but Tomlin was before.
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It was clarified Butler was not correct in the regard people want to take

But people would rather stick to the conspiracy

Da Stellars · Oct 28, 2025 at 11:18 PM

Even if Tomlin doesn’t call the plays…it is still Tomlin’s defense. Austin is calling plays based on Tomlin’s direction.

Blast Furnace · Oct 29, 2025 at 12:05 AM

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Dipshits who cover the team daily don't know what they're talking about oh okay . You ever think Butler was forced out and had an axe to grind.
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I trust Bouchette more and some of the other beat writers who have backed it up over whoever these clowns are.

Blast Furnace · Oct 29, 2025 at 12:09 AM

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It was clarified Butler was not correct in the regard people want to take

But people would rather stick to the conspiracy
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We disagree on this, Jeh. Ive read the whole interview, not just parts that could be taken out of context. I’ve also seen beat writers back it up, even Bouchette who confirmed it in a round about way when Austin was hired and he said Tomlin should concede the play calling to Austin because he has too much on his plate. Im paraphrasing but that was the gist of it.

Anyway, people are dug in on this and will believe what they want. Doesn’t matter, whoever is calling it the defense still sucks.

AtlSteel · Oct 29, 2025 at 5:47 AM

Who cares who calls the plays. It's Tomlin's team, he hired Austin, he's kept Austin around, and he just said he is largely pleased with Austin and plans to keep doing what they've been doing. "We just got to keep doing what we're doing and do it better."

Bubbahotep · Oct 29, 2025 at 6:25 AM

steelersrule6 said: ↑

You don't think offensive head coaches over ride their OC sometimes.
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+1

Andy Reid has an offensive coordinator.... how often does the TV shows the OC playcalling during a game? Answer; never

Bubbahotep · Oct 29, 2025 at 6:26 AM

AtlSteel said: ↑

Who cares who calls the plays. It's Tomlin's team, he hired Austin, he's kept Austin around, and he just said he is largely pleased with Austin and plans to keep doing what they've been doing. "We just got to keep doing what we're doing and do it better."
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Pretty sure he said the same things about Matt Canada.... right up to the point he fired him.

Steelersfan43 · Oct 29, 2025 at 6:34 AM

Bubbahotep said: ↑

Pretty sure he said the same things about Matt Canada.... right up to the point he fired him.
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He keep Canada way too long

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